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Non-legit tax discs - detectable?



 
 
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Old April 10th 04, 01:19 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.transport,uk.rec.cars.misc,uk.rec.cars.modifications
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Default Non-legit tax discs - detectable?

rofl.

DVLC know which cars have a proper tax disc and which don't. If your car
doesn't have a proper one, it will set off alarm bells each time you take it
onto the motorway. You may have seen small black cameras about half the size
of a shoe box hanging from motorway bridges. These read and process number
plates. Whenever the local traffic patrol has nothing better to do, they
hook up to the output from these. As another poster mentions, there are also
handheld versions of this camera now.

Soon (due this autumn, but likely to be delayed) a system will be introduced
that will keep check of who has an MOT as well.

With a bit of luck you can get away without a proper tax disc if you just
travel to and from work using back roads, but not if you park in town
centres or use motorways regularly.

Incidentally, if you paid for anything like this and it didn't work, the law
says you are not entitled to your money back as the whole deal is illegal.
The same goes for any satelite decoding cards and credit cards that you buy
in the pub.

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Old April 10th 04, 07:25 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.transport,uk.rec.cars.misc,uk.rec.cars.modifications
MarkE
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"DP" [email protected] wrote in message ...

Soon (due this autumn, but likely to be delayed) a system will be

introduced
that will keep check of who has an MOT as well.



Suggestions I've heard are that the MOT system is well behind that of the
tax and insurance ones of its ilk (although they did admittedly have a
headstart). It'll be 2005 most likely.


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Old April 10th 04, 11:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.transport,uk.rec.cars.misc,uk.rec.cars.modifications
Sales!
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Default Non-legit tax discs - detectable?

Apparently on date Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:25:09 +0100, "MarkE"
said:


"DP" [email protected] wrote in message ...

Soon (due this autumn, but likely to be delayed) a system will be

introduced
that will keep check of who has an MOT as well.



Suggestions I've heard are that the MOT system is well behind that of the
tax and insurance ones of its ilk (although they did admittedly have a
headstart). It'll be 2005 most likely.


from a practical point of view, the tax one waits on the MoT one, so this is an
interesting viewpoint.

In terms of realism, insurance is necessary for vehicles driven on the road,
because there is always a danger that you cause damage / injury. Any vehicle
being driven on the road must be covered by insurance - but insurance exists on
vehicles that are insured via "any vehicle" insurance.

So finding a car on the road, does not mean there is an insurance record for
that vehicle - it is linked to driver, not vehicle, although sometimes it is
linked to a driver and a vehicle.

So you can't send out fines by post based on the vehicle being on the road with
no explicit insurance for that vehicle - the cover can be carried by the driver
instead.

Tax is also unclear, a car can be legally driven on the road with no MoT or
Tax, although it must be under the driver's insurance.

The specific link is MoT testing stations. A car that is on the road with no
tax, or with no MoT, and which has not got a test booked via the MoT
computerised system is fair game for a fine by post.

To be realistic, if a vehicle is spotted by cameras then the driver is at risk
of being investigated, but the "fine by post" instant response has to wait on
the MoT system being fully computerised, until then you may be driving the car
on "any vehicle" mechanic's insurance to a pre-arranged MoT test, which
currently you do prior to being able to have an MoT and with that being able
to buy tax.



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Old April 10th 04, 11:03 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.transport,uk.rec.cars.misc,uk.rec.cars.modifications
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Default Non-legit tax discs - detectable?

Soon (due this autumn, but likely to be delayed) a system will be
introduced
that will keep check of who has an MOT as well.



Suggestions I've heard are that the MOT system is well behind that of the
tax and insurance ones of its ilk (although they did admittedly have a
headstart). It'll be 2005 most likely.


I expect there are several MOT mechanics who know vehicles inside out but
need some persuading to start using computers. It's not easy to force people
to change the way they do something after decades of the current system.

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Old April 10th 04, 11:08 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.transport,uk.rec.cars.misc,uk.rec.cars.modifications
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"DP" [email protected] wrote in message ...

It's not easy to force people
to change the way they do something after decades of the current system.


No, but if carrying out the practice omitting a vital process became illegal
(i.e. you couldn't be a MOT-able garage without database access, and had to
register a vehicle's certificate online) then they'd not have too many legs
to stand on.

If you want a rigid process without loopholes then it has to be rigid from
point of sale.


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Old April 10th 04, 11:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.transport,uk.rec.cars.misc,uk.rec.cars.modifications
MarkE
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"Sales!" wrote in message
news
Any vehicle
being driven on the road must be covered by insurance - but insurance

exists on
vehicles that are insured via "any vehicle" insurance.


True, and this is why any policyholder that has a vehicle on cover for 14
days must legally declare it with their insurer, and between them notify it
to a insurance database that PNC accesses.

So finding a car on the road, does not mean there is an insurance record

for
that vehicle - it is linked to driver, not vehicle, although sometimes it

is
linked to a driver and a vehicle.


Of course, there are always some given constraints on any system. However,
the current Govt-instigated review into the overall system may spell changes
for that soon anyway.


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Old April 10th 04, 11:52 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.transport,uk.rec.cars.misc,uk.rec.cars.modifications
Dave Plowman
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Default Non-legit tax discs - detectable?

In article ,
DP [email protected] wrote:
I expect there are several MOT mechanics who know vehicles inside out
but need some persuading to start using computers. It's not easy to
force people to change the way they do something after decades of the
current system.


They already use a computer for emissions testing, and the print out I got
suggests they enter at least some of the vehicle details.

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*It was recently discovered that research causes cancer in rats.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
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Old April 14th 04, 01:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.maintenance,uk.transport,uk.rec.cars.misc,uk.rec.cars.modifications
Clive George
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Default Non-legit tax discs - detectable?

"DP" [email protected] wrote in message ...

I expect there are several MOT mechanics who know vehicles inside out but
need some persuading to start using computers. It's not easy to force

people
to change the way they do something after decades of the current system.


I thought that so asked my MOT man. He said he was looking forward to having
the computer system as he didn't like writing in the certificates.

cheers,
clive


 




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