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Rover 75 Diesel.



 
 
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Old October 8th 03, 05:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.misc
David Clark
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Default Rover 75 Diesel.

We have to change our Motability Contract Hire car in the next few
months, & need another large estate car, wheelchairs, etc.

Rather than ordering Mondeo Estate No. 4, with a much higher initial
deposit than before, I've been shopping around, as you do!

Surprisingly, the Rover 75 range is available to Motability customers
for a very reasonable deposit, by far the best bargain yet seen.

(For those that don't know, we would be are leasing the car, with a
large, up-front but fixed deposit from ourselves + a "Motability"
payment from the Govt. Since the likely resale values, & depreciation
are not an issue for us, as it's already been calculated/ estimated by
Motability Finance, we don't have to choose a car on economic grounds,
other than fuel costs.)

So, the big question, if we choose one, which engine to have.
The 2.5 litre V6 is not available to motability customers, although
the 2.0 litre V6 is, + the 2.0 litre diesel.

I'm told that it's a BMW unit, available in two power outputs, but
I've no idea if it's reckoned to be one of today's good "new" engines
or if it's an old unit, about to be replaced.

Any information / opinons out there?

I'd be grateful for opinions re. any other largeish estate cars that
are available in the Uk, ( Not BMW's or Mercedes, not as motability
cars!), that can bee purchased with diesel engines.

I've know seen retail prices for the new Vectra Estate, which is going
on sale at the end of the month with a 2.0 litre or a 2.2 litre
diesel, but with lowish power outputs.
The car looks interesting, seriously spacious, with more room than
most estates, but I'm told that the diesels are not the world's best.

Again. info, opinions, comments would be most welcome.

TIA, David C.
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Old October 8th 03, 06:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.misc
Tim S Kemp
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Default Rover 75 Diesel.

Any information / opinons out there?

Lots.

We have a motability car, a Zafira, which is popular for its loadspace, low
deposit and broad spec / engine choice. You can have any except the GSi and
2.2 on the scheme, so 1.6/1.8/Diesel is fine. It's our second Zaf (my
principle is to get the lowest deposit, you don't keep the car so fuel and
deposit=running cost) and are very happy (as our new dealer isn't a [email protected] like
DIXONS) .

I used to own a 2.0V6 Rover 75. Very thirsty but a cracking engine - sounds
great when driven hard but had a number of quality issues. The diesel solves
the problems with the fuel consumption - ask Uno-Hoo about other things,
he's got one. I miss the car because it had character, but when I bought it
I didn't want to spend six months driving a courtesy car from the 24 months
I had it.

For me, the Zaf is best value on the scheme, big loadspace (or seven
seats) - deposit was 800 for our 1.8 in december so good value and
reliable, practical transport (can get sons wheelchair in no problem)



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Old October 9th 03, 10:05 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.misc
David Clark
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Default Rover 75 Diesel.

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:01:19 +0100, "Tim S Kemp"
wrote:

Any information / opinons out there?


Lots.

We have a motability car, a Zafira, which is popular for its loadspace, low
deposit and broad spec / engine choice. You can have any except the GSi and
2.2 on the scheme, so 1.6/1.8/Diesel is fine. It's our second Zaf (my
principle is to get the lowest deposit, you don't keep the car so fuel and
deposit=running cost) and are very happy (as our new dealer isn't a [email protected] like
DIXONS) .

I used to own a 2.0V6 Rover 75. Very thirsty but a cracking engine - sounds
great when driven hard but had a number of quality issues. The diesel solves
the problems with the fuel consumption - ask Uno-Hoo about other things,
he's got one. I miss the car because it had character, but when I bought it
I didn't want to spend six months driving a courtesy car from the 24 months
I had it.

For me, the Zaf is best value on the scheme, big loadspace (or seven
seats) - deposit was 800 for our 1.8 in december so good value and
reliable, practical transport (can get sons wheelchair in no problem)



Coo, a Zafira!

Thought about them but did not enjoy test drive, when they 1st. came
out.
Found it difficult to reach down to the gear shift, & unusually for a
Vauxhall, felt that it was too low-geared in 5th.

I'l have to try one out, things might have changed.

Current Zafira advance payments run from 195 to 2,699, depending on
engines & trim levels.
I suppose that the 2.0DTi would be the best engine of the three.

To compare with the newer small MPV's, I've driven the Touran, (nice,
well built but boring, not yet on Motability), the new Scenic,
(weird, odd styling with crap gear shift & horrible off-set electronic
instrument display but cheap) but have yet to try a Focus C Max, (next
week).

If we were to choose a Vauxhall, I'd be tempted by the New Vectra
Estate, which is not yet on sale, therefore not yet on the scheme.
Surprisingly, Vauxhall have already released retail prices, ( 1k more
than the equivalent 4 or 5 door).
Since Vectra contract hire prices run from 2,495 to 5,750, I guess
that the estate will add perhaps 500 to the deposit.

We usually allow ourselves a 6K budget for our motabiliy car, so it's
possible that we could aford a reasonably specified Vectra Estate.

We currently run a Ghia X V6 Mondeo Estate, which is great fun & not
too expensive to run, ( currently 29 - 30 mpg, owing to a quick
Euro-tour last month ), but is no longer available on the scheme.
I suspect that low 3-year residuals have been responsible for the
current Mondeo contract hire price increases.

(Mondeo Estates now cost from 4,335 to 8,200, which is way over our
budget.)

So, we won't be taking delivery of Mondeotate No. 4!
Assuming that we are prepared ( unusually I know, but it's our only
car / extravagance....) 6k every three years for a new, useful &
comfortable car, with acceptable running costs, the Rover 75 tourer
deposits, from 3,105 to 5,159 seem quite reasonable.

I'd hope that the quality issues have been addressed by now,
but........

As for the dealers, I'd fully agree that carefull selection is
required.
I have two new dealers within reach, both part of larger retail groups
& I'd hope that they would at least try to keep their customers
satisified!

Thanks Tim, for advice & input .

David C.

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Old October 9th 03, 10:34 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.misc
Alan
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Default Rover 75 Diesel.

I am a Motability specialist so I have to throw my comments in!

Firstly, being a Vauxhall dealer I second the comments about trying the
Zafira but obviously the Mondeo/Vectra are different cars to Zafira which is
based on an Astra Estate although it is longer. Zafira has excellent
visibility and load space but it has a slightly upright seating position
which is not to everyone's taste.

I don't know when you expect to change but I doubt if Vectra Estate will go
on Motab till the Spring. The car will have the new Vauxhall diesel engine
(which is excellent) and the boot is massive (bigger than the Omega estate
they say).

Finally, why Diesel? I don't reckon diesel is cost effective for a retail
buyer till well over 15,000 miles per annum and that includes maintenance
and depreciation. Most diesels have larger deposits on Motab and you need to
do a very high mileage (over the new 15,000 annual limit) before it becomes
cost effective.

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Old October 9th 03, 07:20 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.misc
Mike
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Default Rover 75 Diesel.

David Clark wrote in message
Again. info, opinions, comments would be most welcome.

BIG SNIP
TIA, David C.


David, Why dont you test drive a Fiat Doblo JTD?
My friends Zafira is small inside in comparison. To such an extent
that even with a rack and one of those plastic boxes permanently
fitted to the roof it cant carry as much as we can.
Ours was under 10,000 new with Sat nav (Connect Nav)
Its a great engine, 200nm of torque at only 1,500 revs means the
powers right there at just above tickover.It does around 63mpg on a
steady run.
Regards, Mike
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Old October 9th 03, 07:49 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.misc
Tim S Kemp
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Default Rover 75 Diesel.

Thought about them but did not enjoy test drive, when they 1st. came
out.
Found it difficult to reach down to the gear shift, & unusually for a
Vauxhall, felt that it was too low-geared in 5th.

I'l have to try one out, things might have changed.

Current Zafira advance payments run from 195 to 2,699, depending on
engines & trim levels.
I suppose that the 2.0DTi would be the best engine of the three.


Suspension has improved hugely, not the jiggly ride of the first ones (we
had a V reg, got a 52 plater now) as has fit and finish - light grey / beige
interior option instead of black looks much better too. Ours is a 1.8 club,
and yes, it's 5000RPM at 100mph, but we took our previous 1.6 across Europe
at 110mph cruise with no adverse affects! I prefer petrol to diesel,
unlikely you'll recoup the fuel costs over the deposit and the 1.8 cracks on
fairly well.

If we were to choose a Vauxhall, I'd be tempted by the New Vectra
Estate, which is not yet on sale, therefore not yet on the scheme.
Surprisingly, Vauxhall have already released retail prices, ( 1k more
than the equivalent 4 or 5 door).
Since Vectra contract hire prices run from 2,495 to 5,750, I guess
that the estate will add perhaps 500 to the deposit.


s-i-g-n-u-m-?-?-?


We usually allow ourselves a 6K budget for our motabiliy car, so it's
possible that we could aford a reasonably specified Vectra Estate.

We currently run a Ghia X V6 Mondeo Estate, which is great fun & not
too expensive to run, ( currently 29 - 30 mpg, owing to a quick
Euro-tour last month ), but is no longer available on the scheme.
I suspect that low 3-year residuals have been responsible for the
current Mondeo contract hire price increases.

(Mondeo Estates now cost from 4,335 to 8,200, which is way over our
budget.)

So, we won't be taking delivery of Mondeotate No. 4!
Assuming that we are prepared ( unusually I know, but it's our only
car / extravagance....) 6k every three years for a new, useful &
comfortable car, with acceptable running costs, the Rover 75 tourer
deposits, from 3,105 to 5,159 seem quite reasonable.

I'd hope that the quality issues have been addressed by now,
but........

As for the dealers, I'd fully agree that carefull selection is
required.
I have two new dealers within reach, both part of larger retail groups
& I'd hope that they would at least try to keep their customers
satisified!

Thanks Tim, for advice & input .


Larger groups are the worst, we find the smaller country dealers are much
better, also there's no inconvenience as they will collect and return for
service / repair and have more loan cars than the chains carry. The drive in
the country is sometimes a nice option - our Vauxhall dealer is 20 miles
away, there are four nearer, two of which ae Dixons and can stuff their cars
where the sun don't shine. My Rover dealer was 15 miles away and even sent a
man out when I rang about getting a new headlamp bulb fitted (under warranty
before anyone comments). Vauxhall dealer is dealing with a paint problem
just now, again zero hassle.

I admit - the advance payments on the 75 are great - go for the 1.8T or the
2.0CDT engines, the V6 is very thirsty (and the 2.0 is discontinued anyhow
in favour of the 1.8T)

VW Touran is on list at 2770 (1.6 manual) - forget that, you can have a
Fiat Multipla for 917



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Old October 9th 03, 07:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.misc
Tim S Kemp
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Default Rover 75 Diesel.

Zafira has excellent
visibility


since when??? Have you not noticed that A pillar?


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Old October 10th 03, 05:32 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.misc
David Clark
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:49:16 +0100, "Tim S Kemp"
wrote:

Thought about them but did not enjoy test drive, when they 1st. came
out.
Found it difficult to reach down to the gear shift, & unusually for a
Vauxhall, felt that it was too low-geared in 5th.

I'l have to try one out, things might have changed.

Current Zafira advance payments run from 195 to 2,699, depending on
engines & trim levels.
I suppose that the 2.0DTi would be the best engine of the three.


Suspension has improved hugely, not the jiggly ride of the first ones (we
had a V reg, got a 52 plater now) as has fit and finish - light grey / beige
interior option instead of black looks much better too. Ours is a 1.8 club,
and yes, it's 5000RPM at 100mph, but we took our previous 1.6 across Europe
at 110mph cruise with no adverse affects! I prefer petrol to diesel,
unlikely you'll recoup the fuel costs over the deposit and the 1.8 cracks on
fairly well.

Had a look at a 1.8 Club yesterday, took ages figuring out how to get
the rear seats down into the floor!
It was an auto, still a long reach down to the shifter.
Still not too keen on a Zafira though, we don't need the seats,
there's only two adults, no kids or pets, just wheelchairs & stuff.
We could almost live with a van based car, but we will only do that
when we need to have a wheelchair carrier.

As for the diesel/ versus petrol math, it all depends on future fuel
prices, mileage & fuel consumption. All estimated figures, so any
calculation will be inaccurate.

If we were to choose a Vauxhall, I'd be tempted by the New Vectra
Estate, which is not yet on sale, therefore not yet on the scheme.
Surprisingly, Vauxhall have already released retail prices, ( 1k more
than the equivalent 4 or 5 door).
Since Vectra contract hire prices run from 2,495 to 5,750, I guess
that the estate will add perhaps 500 to the deposit.


s-i-g-n-u-m-?-?-?


Der.....

Probably not, ta very much!
Small boot, we would have to keep the rear seats flat all the time, &
probably not on the scheme.

Snip.


As for the dealers, I'd fully agree that carefull selection is
required.
I have two new dealers within reach, both part of larger retail groups
& I'd hope that they would at least try to keep their customers
satisified!


Larger groups are the worst, we find the smaller country dealers are much
better, also there's no inconvenience as they will collect and return for
service / repair and have more loan cars than the chains carry. The drive in
the country is sometimes a nice option - our Vauxhall dealer is 20 miles
away, there are four nearer, two of which ae Dixons and can stuff their cars
where the sun don't shine. My Rover dealer was 15 miles away and even sent a
man out when I rang about getting a new headlamp bulb fitted (under warranty
before anyone comments). Vauxhall dealer is dealing with a paint problem
just now, again zero hassle.


If I can find a country Rover dealer, then I'll look into shopping
there, but I'm located in South Essex & I might have to travel a bit
to find some real country!

I admit - the advance payments on the 75 are great - go for the 1.8T or the
2.0CDT engines, the V6 is very thirsty (and the 2.0 is discontinued anyhow
in favour of the 1.8T)

Small point, the 2.0 litre V6 is back in the brochure!
Too many customers complaining that they didn't care about the better
performance, they wanted a six, not a four.
I agree with them, a small six may not be the best engine for a large
heavy car, but it is smoother & sounds nicer.r

VW Touran is on list at 2770 (1.6 manual) - forget that, you can have a
Fiat Multipla for 917

I've not managed to get any sense out of a VW dealer re. motability
prices, I'm of the opinion that it's a "lower-class" level of business
that they would prefer not to have.

A Multipla, please not, the looks, the width, the loud laughter from
friends & neighbours. (I know that here is a facelift due soon.)
Also, not the ideal car to fit a person lift into the front passenger
seat area, IMHO.

Cheers, DC.
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Old October 10th 03, 06:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.misc
David Clark
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Default Rover 75 Diesel.

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:26:46 +0100, "Grant Mason"
wrote:

"David Clark" wrote in message


Any information / opinons out there?


My father has a 75 saloon. They're not *that* big inside. Comfy and
luxurious, yes (in 2.5 V6 Connoisseur SE spec anyway) but it all feels a
little cramped around the shoulders. Maybe something to bear in mind if
you're going to be carting 2+ adults/teens around.


Hi Grant.

We've just had a sit / look-see at a neighbours 75 Connoisseur SE
Tourer.
It's smaller than our Mondy wagon, but it may not matter too much.
If I can get a person lift in the front & the shopping scooter in the
back, then it will "do" for us.

Since we don't have children or pets, & rarely carry passengers, the
"cosy" feel might not be a problem.

The interior is very different to the Ford, yet they are both "German"
cars.
I'd guess that Ford's ex VW / Audi styling people wanted to recreate
the stark / austere look characterisitc of the German brands, ( as has
GM with the Vectra ) & BMW were trying to create a British Gentlemens
Club look to the Rover.

I think that both Rover & Ford suceeded, with decent quality
materials, good fit & finish, but they appeal to different people.
The 2004 "New Look" Mondeo is a little more plush inside, with some
exterior brightwork, as is the current Passat!

Still looking around the market, but since most of the other big
estates, are no longer available on Motability, ( Mazda ,Volvo) or are
expensive, Toyota, Nissan, Ford & Renault, the Rover is by far the
most affordable.

DC
 




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