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Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)



 
 
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Old November 30th 05, 07:45 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications,uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Doki
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Default Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)


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Apparently on date Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:07:03 -0000, "Doki"

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"Carl Gibbs" wrote in message
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"Doki" wrote in message
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The Golf's playing up. Must be because I've polished it.

When the oil's warmed up to 80 odd or so, the oil pressure lamp comes
on
if the engine's allowed to idle. Rev it at all, and it goes back off.
I've previously had the buzzer come on a couple of times during normal
driving, (ie, above a couple of thousand revs, oil not stinking hot and
not cornering like a loon) but it's always gone off after a second. Oil
level is fine.

Pointers on whether this sounds like oil pump, dodgy electronics or the
bottom end of the engine dying would be nice.

Have you changed the oil recently?


Yep. Not myself. My dad decided to change the oil for the stuff he puts in
his jag without telling me to see if it made any difference to the buzzing
that happened before. ****ing hell. That's like a sentence written by
Peter
of cinquecento fame...

Could be the pump, could be the pickup - have you given the sump a whack
recently? As Carl said it could just be a dodgy sensor. I would just
go
for trial and error until it was fixed, but someone with a bit more
knowledge may be able to help!


Sump is new and unbanged.

As for the buzzer - wouldnt worry about it. My main aim when I used to
borrow my sisters Polo was to get that buzzer going. The little thing
just kept going (with knackered head gasket)


I reckon it's worthwhile getting a gauge as it seems the sensing system
can
play up.


I got one for fifteen quid in the summer, including the hose and
connector.

It just plugs in where the sender goes. You get a more realistic idea of
what's
really happening with a gauge.

Be aware that these things are only measuring oil pressure above the pump
itself. If there is a lot of wear in the main bearings, oil will pour
through
and while the pump can maintain pressure at the gauge, rather less is
making it
all the way up to the overhead cam, etc.

Whacking up a grade of oil works to compensate for wear in both main
bearings
and pump rotor vanes so it you want a cheap solution, use more viscous
oil.
This will definitely wear the pump out faster but can improve oil
retention at
a typical cost of higher engine friction (and therefore heat.)

The problem can also be too high a pressure - this happens when the
pressure
relief valve sticks shut and the pressure goes too high. You can tell with
a
gauge, obviously.


There are apparently 2 senders on the Golf. One for oil pressure dropping
below 2.something bar above 2100 revs, and one for pressure dropping below
0.3 bar at lower revs. I suppose the 0.3 bar one could be playing up a bit.
The intermittent pressure drops at decent revs are what I don't get.


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Old November 30th 05, 11:07 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications,uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Vamp
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Default Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)


"Doki" wrote in message
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The Golf's playing up. Must be because I've polished it.

When the oil's warmed up to 80 odd or so, the oil pressure lamp comes on
if the engine's allowed to idle. Rev it at all, and it goes back off. I've
previously had the buzzer come on a couple of times during normal driving,
(ie, above a couple of thousand revs, oil not stinking hot and not
cornering like a loon) but it's always gone off after a second. Oil level
is fine.

Pointers on whether this sounds like oil pump, dodgy electronics or the
bottom end of the engine dying would be nice.



pull the buzzer and yank the bulb


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Old November 30th 05, 11:09 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications,uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Vamp
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Default Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)


"Ronny" wrote in message
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"Ronny" wrote in message
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"Doki" wrote in message
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The Golf's playing up. Must be because I've polished it.

When the oil's warmed up to 80 odd or so, the oil pressure lamp comes on
if the engine's allowed to idle. Rev it at all, and it goes back off.
I've previously had the buzzer come on a couple of times during normal
driving, (ie, above a couple of thousand revs, oil not stinking hot and
not cornering like a loon) but it's always gone off after a second. Oil
level is fine.

Pointers on whether this sounds like oil pump, dodgy electronics or the
bottom end of the engine dying would be nice.




Doki, do you want another one?

I know of a Mintish one just lapsed MOT H reg 400 quid.


17" rims not modded at all, bodywork is stunning, black, 2.0 8v needs
handbrake cable, but drives fine.

I got some pics if anyone else is interested.

Ronny


Pics

http://www.wellcheap.com/gallery2/v/...bum/?g2_page=3


looks damn tidy, i really like that!


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Old December 1st 05, 03:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications,uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Doki
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Default Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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Maybe the gauze over the pick-up is clogged. That reduces the flow at all
engine speeds and needs the sump taken off to check - so it never gets
done
until the bearings or something else fails.


It's had a new sump recently due to a pinhole in the old one, so it'll be
easy to get off. Going to fir a new pump this weekend.


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Old December 1st 05, 04:49 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications,uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
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Vamp wrote:

"Ronny" wrote in message
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17" rims not modded at all, bodywork is stunning, black, 2.0 8v needs
handbrake cable, but drives fine.

I got some pics if anyone else is interested.

Ronny


Pics

http://www.wellcheap.com/gallery2/v/...bum/?g2_page=3


looks damn tidy, i really like that!


It does, similar shade of black to mine, unfortunately mines meant to be
red but she is getting blacker faster than I can clean her with the
amount of salt about on the roads at the minute :/
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Old December 1st 05, 04:49 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications,uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Jon B
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Default Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)

Doki wrote:

"Carl Gibbs" wrote in message
...

"Doki" wrote in message
...
The Golf's playing up. Must be because I've polished it.

When the oil's warmed up to 80 odd or so, the oil pressure lamp comes on
if the engine's allowed to idle. Rev it at all, and it goes back off.
I've previously had the buzzer come on a couple of times during normal
driving, (ie, above a couple of thousand revs, oil not stinking hot and
not cornering like a loon) but it's always gone off after a second. Oil
level is fine.

Pointers on whether this sounds like oil pump, dodgy electronics or the
bottom end of the engine dying would be nice.

Have you changed the oil recently?


Yep. Not myself. My dad decided to change the oil for the stuff he puts in
his jag without telling me to see if it made any difference to the buzzing
that happened before. ****ing hell. That's like a sentence written by Peter
of cinquecento fame...

Might be worth picking up the right oil for the Golf depending on what
he uses in the Jag semis? Fully? Could be a bit thin now for an older
golf. The official Quantum is cheap enough from the dealers and even
cheaper from GSF etc. A reasonably garage should have a proper guage
they can plug in the oil sensor position to check what pressure the pump
is giving to eliminate pump or switch....
--
Jon B
real email to usenet at jonbradbury dot com
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Old December 1st 05, 06:51 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications,uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Doki
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Default Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)


"Jon B" wrote in message
news:1h6wgxa.1585wp61y1sivyN%black.hole@jonbradbur y.com...
Doki wrote:

"Carl Gibbs" wrote in message
...

"Doki" wrote in message
...
The Golf's playing up. Must be because I've polished it.

When the oil's warmed up to 80 odd or so, the oil pressure lamp comes
on
if the engine's allowed to idle. Rev it at all, and it goes back off.
I've previously had the buzzer come on a couple of times during normal
driving, (ie, above a couple of thousand revs, oil not stinking hot
and
not cornering like a loon) but it's always gone off after a second.
Oil
level is fine.

Pointers on whether this sounds like oil pump, dodgy electronics or
the
bottom end of the engine dying would be nice.

Have you changed the oil recently?


Yep. Not myself. My dad decided to change the oil for the stuff he puts
in
his jag without telling me to see if it made any difference to the
buzzing
that happened before. ****ing hell. That's like a sentence written by
Peter
of cinquecento fame...

Might be worth picking up the right oil for the Golf depending on what
he uses in the Jag semis? Fully? Could be a bit thin now for an older
golf. The official Quantum is cheap enough from the dealers and even
cheaper from GSF etc. A reasonably garage should have a proper guage
they can plug in the oil sensor position to check what pressure the pump
is giving to eliminate pump or switch....


The oil was 10w40. The oil my dad took out was 10w40 Quantum...


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Old December 1st 05, 07:28 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications,uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Jon B
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Default Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)

Doki wrote:

"Jon B" wrote in message
news:1h6wgxa.1585wp61y1sivyN%black.hole@jonbradbur y.com...



Might be worth picking up the right oil for the Golf depending on what
he uses in the Jag semis? Fully? Could be a bit thin now for an older
golf. The official Quantum is cheap enough from the dealers and even
cheaper from GSF etc. A reasonably garage should have a proper guage
they can plug in the oil sensor position to check what pressure the pump
is giving to eliminate pump or switch....


The oil was 10w40. The oil my dad took out was 10w40 Quantum...


Ah ok should be ok then, just checking that you hadn't put in thin mobil
1 in something used to a thicker multigrade.
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Old December 1st 05, 11:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications,uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Chris
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Default Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)


"Ronny" wrote in message
...

Doki, do you want another one?

I know of a Mintish one just lapsed MOT H reg 400 quid.


17" rims not modded at all, bodywork is stunning, black, 2.0 8v needs
handbrake cable, but drives fine.

I got some pics if anyone else is interested.

Ronny


Pics

http://www.wellcheap.com/gallery2/v/...bum/?g2_page=3


Damn! If I'd seen that yesterday evening I would've offered for that rather
than the Civic VTi I just picked up. That looks real clean. Still
available for £400?

Chris - karenDOT christiaanAT btinternetDOT com
(wondering how long it'll take to put VTi on ebay!)


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Old December 1st 05, 11:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Chris
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Default Golf oil pressure woes (MK2 8V GTi)

Got a decent '90 PB 8v lump lying around here doing nothing if you need it.

Chris

"Doki" wrote in message
...

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
Maybe the gauze over the pick-up is clogged. That reduces the flow at
all
engine speeds and needs the sump taken off to check - so it never gets
done
until the bearings or something else fails.


It's had a new sump recently due to a pinhole in the old one, so it'll be
easy to get off. Going to fir a new pump this weekend.



 




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