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Old November 9th 05, 07:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Golf2
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Default Engine swap suggestions?

Hi, im consindering changing the engine in my mk2 Gti in May 2006 but cant
decide which one to go for! It'll either be the 1.8T or the VR6. I think
the newer, lighter 1.8T would be better. I'd appreciate your oppinions?
Thanks.



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Old November 10th 05, 10:43 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Jon B
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Golf2 wrote:

Hi, im consindering changing the engine in my mk2 Gti in May 2006 but cant
decide which one to go for! It'll either be the 1.8T or the VR6. I think
the newer, lighter 1.8T would be better. I'd appreciate your oppinions?
Thanks.

I think it was generally accepted the the VR6 marvel that is was, was
still too damn heavy for the mk2 [1], that big lump over the front
wheels chucked the balance out and getting decent suspension for it is
tricky. Course the vr still sounds gorgeous so I'd still find it a
tempting conversion myself for the noise (if I had the money I'd have
the R32 conversion that JBS does in a shot).

I think the 1.8T can offer you a lot more power from an engine with a
weight better suited to the mk2, think theres also a bit more room to
play under the engine bay than with the vr6. But you'll sound just like
every other turbo car on the planet.

Me I'd go VR6, yeah the 1.8T gives more power, better weight. But the
creamy VR6 on a sports zorst is gorgeous, stands out, smoother power
delivery.

Either way unless you are lucky with your choice of suspension [2] you
will be limited on the number of roads you can take full advantage
anyway the the weighty vr6 wouldn't restrict you that much (unless you
are thinking track use then prob 1.8T all the way).

[1] And this is what I've read on the old ClubGTI forums from VR6
convert owners.
[2] Go koni/eibach, I've got FK, german and up here in derbyshire its
awful. Its a good suspension kit don't get me wrong, but it likes good
roads, and round here, there isn't many. So on most roads I actually
have to go slower than on standard suspension.
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Old November 10th 05, 06:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Homer
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Default Engine swap suggestions?

"Golf2" wrote in message
lkaboutautos.com...
Hi, im consindering changing the engine in my mk2 Gti in May 2006 but cant
decide which one to go for! It'll either be the 1.8T or the VR6. I think
the newer, lighter 1.8T would be better. I'd appreciate your oppinions?
Thanks.


I'd go for the 1.8T but I'm biased, I put one in a Corrado.
Easily tuned to 230/280bhp depending on what version you start with,
350/400bhp needs a bigger turbo. Unless you go for an aftermarket ECU like I
did the hardest part will be getting the OEM engine management to work as
the immobiliser is linked to the ignition barrel, clocks and ECU.


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Old November 11th 05, 12:27 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
somebody
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Default Engine swap suggestions?

In message , Homer
writes
"Golf2" wrote in message
alkaboutautos.com...
Hi, im consindering changing the engine in my mk2 Gti in May 2006 but cant
decide which one to go for! It'll either be the 1.8T or the VR6. I think
the newer, lighter 1.8T would be better. I'd appreciate your oppinions?
Thanks.


I'd go for the 1.8T but I'm biased, I put one in a Corrado.
Easily tuned to 230/280bhp depending on what version you start with,
350/400bhp needs a bigger turbo. Unless you go for an aftermarket ECU like I
did the hardest part will be getting the OEM engine management to work as
the immobiliser is linked to the ignition barrel, clocks and ECU.


Hi Homer,

Not saying that I'd do it but am intrigued and would atleast like to
look into / cost the various tuning options.

Any idea of cost and where to look for the 230/280/350/400 bhp out of
the 1.8t (honestly I'm not trolling, just interested!).

Regards
Someone
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Old November 11th 05, 01:01 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Jon B
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Default Engine swap suggestions?

somebody wrote:

In message , Homer
writes
"Golf2" wrote in message
alkaboutautos.com...
Hi, im consindering changing the engine in my mk2 Gti in May 2006 but cant
decide which one to go for! It'll either be the 1.8T or the VR6. I think
the newer, lighter 1.8T would be better. I'd appreciate your oppinions?
Thanks.


I'd go for the 1.8T but I'm biased, I put one in a Corrado.
Easily tuned to 230/280bhp depending on what version you start with,
350/400bhp needs a bigger turbo. Unless you go for an aftermarket ECU like I
did the hardest part will be getting the OEM engine management to work as
the immobiliser is linked to the ignition barrel, clocks and ECU.


Hi Homer,

Not saying that I'd do it but am intrigued and would atleast like to
look into / cost the various tuning options.

Any idea of cost and where to look for the 230/280/350/400 bhp out of
the 1.8t (honestly I'm not trolling, just interested!).

Awesome, Dubsport, Venom, JBS AutoDesigns, Revo, flick through copies of
THe Golf. If you want proper answers to these sort of questions you'll
probably be better suited in clubgti.com forums, more modders, more
people who've done the conversions.
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Jon B
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Old November 11th 05, 10:38 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Homer
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Default Engine swap suggestions?

"somebody" wrote in message
...
Not saying that I'd do it but am intrigued and would atleast like to look
into / cost the various tuning options.
Any idea of cost and where to look for the 230/280/350/400 bhp out of the
1.8t (honestly I'm not trolling, just interested!).


Standard 180bhp 1.8T with K03S turbo will tune to 230bhp ish, Audi TT 220bhp
version with K04 turbo will go to 280bhp. If you want more than that you'll
need something like a GT28RS turbo for 350bhp or something a little larger
(with more lag) for 400bhp.
If you're going to put a 1.8T into a Mk2 Golf or a Corrado yourself with an
aftermarket ECU it'll cost you around £3.5k, a bit less if you use the OEM
ECU but not nearly as easy. If you're wanting a bigger turbo then you'll be
around another £1300 on top of that.


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Old November 12th 05, 09:37 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
somebody
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Default Engine swap suggestions?

In message , Homer
writes
"somebody" wrote in message
...
Not saying that I'd do it but am intrigued and would atleast like to look
into / cost the various tuning options.
Any idea of cost and where to look for the 230/280/350/400 bhp out of the
1.8t (honestly I'm not trolling, just interested!).


Standard 180bhp 1.8T with K03S turbo will tune to 230bhp ish, Audi TT 220bhp
version with K04 turbo will go to 280bhp. If you want more than that you'll
need something like a GT28RS turbo for 350bhp or something a little larger
(with more lag) for 400bhp.
If you're going to put a 1.8T into a Mk2 Golf or a Corrado yourself with an
aftermarket ECU it'll cost you around £3.5k, a bit less if you use the OEM
ECU but not nearly as easy. If you're wanting a bigger turbo then you'll be
around another £1300 on top of that.


Hi Homer,

Thanks for that. I'm not planning to tune one up though. I was just
intrigued at the idea of 350 bhp out of a 1.8 :-) I had a read of the
clubgti forums as suggested, some rare old beasts in there!

Cheers
Someone
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Old November 12th 05, 05:37 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.vw.watercooled
Homer
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Default Engine swap suggestions?

"somebody" wrote in message
...
Thanks for that. I'm not planning to tune one up though. I was just
intrigued at the idea of 350 bhp out of a 1.8 :-) I had a read of the
clubgti forums as suggested, some rare old beasts in there!



350bhp from 1.8L isn't that much, it's not even 200bhp/l


 




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