"Conor" wrote in message
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In article , Tim S Kemp

Is it broken? Is it the lame version? Sounds nothing like my TDCi 130
and that has 135,000 on the clock.

I've had two on hire recently, one had 30 miles on it and was manual, and
had no pull below 2000 rpm and vibrated like mad at 1300-1500 rpm. The other
had 12000 miles and was an auto, and the engine was the same, but with the
unfortunate habit of locking the gearbox in at 1500rpm, so you had no pull
out of junctions.

I bet they don't sell many TDCI Autos to anyone who's driven one, unless
they've never driven any other diesel auto. In fact just try finding a
review of one...



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In article , Tim S Kemp
says...

I've had two on hire recently, one had 30 miles on it and was manual, and
had no pull below 2000 rpm and vibrated like mad at 1300-1500 rpm. The other
had 12000 miles and was an auto, and the engine was the same, but with the
unfortunate habit of locking the gearbox in at 1500rpm, so you had no pull
out of junctions.

I bet they don't sell many TDCI Autos to anyone who's driven one, unless
they've never driven any other diesel auto. In fact just try finding a
review of one...

There are two versions of the 2L engine. One is a gutless one. I guess
that's the one you must have ended up with. Checked mine last night
accelerating out of a 40MPH limit from 1500RPM and got the turbo surge I
was expecting when I planted my foot down.

Just as a matter of interest, where do you think a petrol one kicks in
because it sure isn't at 1500RPM.


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"Conor" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim S Kemp
says...

I've had two on hire recently, one had 30 miles on it and was manual, and
had no pull below 2000 rpm and vibrated like mad at 1300-1500 rpm. The
other
had 12000 miles and was an auto, and the engine was the same, but with
the
unfortunate habit of locking the gearbox in at 1500rpm, so you had no
pull
out of junctions.

I bet they don't sell many TDCI Autos to anyone who's driven one, unless
they've never driven any other diesel auto. In fact just try finding a
review of one...

There are two versions of the 2L engine. One is a gutless one. I guess
that's the one you must have ended up with. Checked mine last night
accelerating out of a 40MPH limit from 1500RPM and got the turbo surge I
was expecting when I planted my foot down.

It's a different generation and doesn't have as much of the electronic
emissions crappery on it.

Just as a matter of interest, where do you think a petrol one kicks in
because it sure isn't at 1500RPM.

Heh; my petrol car pulls hard from 1,500 rpm... but anyway that's as
relevant as your comment...

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"DervMan" wrote in message
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It's a different generation and doesn't have as much of the electronic
emissions crappery on it.

After speaking with Tim on MSN, it appears the previous person who hired
it filled it up with the wrong fuel then topped it off with diesel which
is why its running like a dog.


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On Feb 23, 7:11*pm, "AstraVanMann" wrote:

Not all diesels are bad at as low revs at that. *I'll assume the JackH
position in defending the original 4-pot VAG TDI, which are quite frankly
****ing brilliant.

nods sagely

The current incumbent, the original (and still the best) Mk4 Golf TDI
estate which I finally prised back from my old man last month, pulls
from sod all revs and averages over 50mpg unless I rag it to death in
which case it drops to a lowly 46mpg or thereabouts.

In the past I've managed to get it to return 52mpg over a week or so
of mainly stop start urban journeys.

Long runs return around 60mpg, depending on how you drive it, and by
that, I mean it returns that if you cruise at around 80 and don't keep
nailing it on slip roads etc.

These are real world figures which I've calculated by brimming it, not
what the fuel computer reckons... mainly because it doesn't have one
being a lowly S model.

It's smooth, comfortable, quiet, costs £125 a year to tax, and as I've
already said, pulls from sod all cleanly right through the rev range
with none of the 'narrow power band' issues some diesels seem to be
saddled with.

In the five years we've owned it between us, aside from tyres and
regular servicing, all it's needed parts wise is an air flow meter.

Next service it'll need a set of front discs I reckon... shocking, eh.

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JackH

JackH wrote:

It's smooth, comfortable, quiet, costs £125 a year to tax, and as I've
already said, pulls from sod all cleanly right through the rev range
with none of the 'narrow power band' issues some diesels seem to be
saddled with.

I had one of those Mk4 Golf TDis and ran it for two years from new.
Experience tells me that you're deluding yourself. It doesn't pull at
all until it gets to 2500rpm then as usual it's all over by 4000 rpm.
How narrow does a power band have to be for the dieselistas?

Steve Firth wrote:
JackH wrote:

It's smooth, comfortable, quiet, costs £125 a year to tax, and as I've
already said, pulls from sod all cleanly right through the rev range
with none of the 'narrow power band' issues some diesels seem to be
saddled with.

I had one of those Mk4 Golf TDis and ran it for two years from new.
Experience tells me that you're deluding yourself. It doesn't pull at
all until it gets to 2500rpm then as usual it's all over by 4000 rpm.
How narrow does a power band have to be for the dieselistas?

It must have been ****ed. A 1.9 PD (115/130/150)pulls reasonably from
~1300, a non-PD (90/110) one a bit lower, and the torque peak for both
is 1900- and if it was a PD130 they're noted for the particularly surgey
lump of torque at 1900ish- it's really noticeable on a good one and
makes the car feel quicker than it is (though performance isn't bad for
real). You're right about it all being over by 4k though- the later 2.0
16v is better, but at the end of the day diesel only burns so fast, I
suppose.

On Feb 25, 7:24*pm, Chris Bartram
wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:
JackH wrote:

It's smooth, comfortable, quiet, costs 125 a year to tax, and as I've
already said, pulls from sod all cleanly right through the rev range
with none of the 'narrow power band' issues some diesels seem to be
saddled with.

I had one of those Mk4 Golf TDis and ran it for two years from new.
Experience tells me that you're deluding yourself. It doesn't pull at
all until it gets to 2500rpm then as usual it's all over by 4000 rpm.
How narrow does a power band have to be for the dieselistas?

It must have been ****ed.

Indeed.

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JackH

On Feb 25, 7:04*pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
JackH wrote:
It's smooth, comfortable, quiet, costs £125 a year to tax, and as I've
already said, pulls from sod all cleanly right through the rev range
with none of the 'narrow power band' issues some diesels seem to be
saddled with.

I had one of those Mk4 Golf TDis and ran it for two years from new.
Experience tells me that you're deluding yourself.

Experience tells me you're either exaggerating about how bad the one
you had was, or you actually had one with issues.

What model / BHP was it?

It doesn't pull at all until it gets to 2500rpm then as usual it's all over by 4000 rpm.

Mine pulls strongly and smoothly from about 1200rpm right up to just
past 4k rpm if you nail it - point is you don't need to nail it right
through the revs to make progress, unless you want to.

In fact not one of the VAG TDIs I've had (and there have been a few
now), have lagged like you've described, bar when the usual MAF issue
rears its head.

How narrow does a power band have to be for the dieselistas?

Given mine is doing an indicated 120mph at around 4k RPM in top and is
happy enough to still pull the same gear from 30mph upwards if you
can't be arsed to change down, I can see why the power band is
'narrow'. ;-)

The Vectra CDTI I had - yes, the box needed to be constantly stirred -
perfect example of a modern 'narrow band' - horrid car.

I'm not saying it because I tend to favour VAG stuff, but I've tried
quite a few other modern diesels (PSA, Ford, Fiat, Vauxhall), and none
of them have seemed to get the combination quite as right as the VAGs
I've generally had when it comes to power delivery / economy /
smoothness... hence why I generally tend to go back to them.

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JackH

JackH wrote:

In fact not one of the VAG TDIs I've had (and there have been a few
now), have lagged like you've described, bar when the usual MAF issue
rears its head.


I've now owned 4, and driven others regularly- between us we've had a
75bhp 3-pot 1.4, 90, 110 and 130 1.9s, and a 140PD 2.0. They've all
performed well for the technology they had, and all pulled from below 1500.

I've had the MAF issue in the 110, and it still pulled low down, it just
felt generally a bit flat throughout the range, but if anything the
effect was worst as you got towards the redline.

The 130 felt fastest, because of the huge torque lump. The 2.0 is
smoother in it's delivery, both in 140 & 170 versions. Not driven the
new CR yet.





I'm not saying it because I tend to favour VAG stuff, but I've tried
quite a few other modern diesels (PSA, Ford, Fiat, Vauxhall), and none
of them have seemed to get the combination quite as right as the VAGs
I've generally had when it comes to power delivery / economy /
smoothness... hence why I generally tend to go back to them.

--
JackH
The Ford TDCI 130 does a good job. I'd have to say the VAG TDI isn't
really smooth though- either delivery accross the range or in the
vibration sense, but it's a winner in power/economy/driveability/durability.