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Thoughts on a Retro trackday car.



 
 
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Old June 27th 09, 06:45 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications
Elder
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Default Thoughts on a Retro trackday car.

What would be good? For me, either something jap or something silly.

Doesn't have to be too fast, nothing too exotic parts cost wise.
My thoughts were
Tatty Mk1 MR2 with ticket.
Volvo 340 1.7 (usually immaculate due to one giffer owner rwd not as
slow as reckoned, pretty hard to break).
Volvo 740 turbo saloon (cheap because it isn't an estate, will take a
manual boost controller for some extra oomph, rwd).
My brother who fancies going halves suggestion was an Escort SI.
Nothing else, just an Escort SI. No other car on the planet comes close
to providing the performance, parts cost and handling per quid than an
Escort SI in his world and he would be happy to trailer it behind his
Shogun. Or maybe a Nova at a push. He has no imagination.

This would be something that would have almost everything inside that
isn't needed for the MOT stripped out plus a couple of speakers and
radio for the times we drive there rather than tow, and a pair of bucket
seats. trackmods would be a fresh pair of shocks and some lower stiffer
springs, plus one box removed from the system and replaced with a length
of pipe, plus a hollowed cat if it pre-92, and a homebrew cold air
intake. Simple mods to free up breather and body roll.

I really like RWD, but for some reason he wants a FWD blue oval.
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Old June 27th 09, 07:35 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications
JackH
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Default Thoughts on a Retro trackday car.


"Elder" wrote in message
t...
What would be good? For me, either something jap or something silly.

Doesn't have to be too fast, nothing too exotic parts cost wise.
My thoughts were
Tatty Mk1 MR2 with ticket.
Volvo 340 1.7 (usually immaculate due to one giffer owner rwd not as
slow as reckoned, pretty hard to break).
Volvo 740 turbo saloon (cheap because it isn't an estate, will take a
manual boost controller for some extra oomph, rwd).
My brother who fancies going halves suggestion was an Escort SI.
Nothing else, just an Escort SI. No other car on the planet comes close
to providing the performance, parts cost and handling per quid than an
Escort SI in his world and he would be happy to trailer it behind his
Shogun. Or maybe a Nova at a push. He has no imagination.

This would be something that would have almost everything inside that
isn't needed for the MOT stripped out plus a couple of speakers and
radio for the times we drive there rather than tow, and a pair of bucket
seats. trackmods would be a fresh pair of shocks and some lower stiffer
springs, plus one box removed from the system and replaced with a length
of pipe, plus a hollowed cat if it pre-92, and a homebrew cold air
intake. Simple mods to free up breather and body roll.

I really like RWD, but for some reason he wants a FWD blue oval.


If you can live with something a bit tatty and FWD, H22a Prelude 2.2 VTi
would be my choice.

You can pick tatty ones of these up for peanuts these days.

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Old June 27th 09, 07:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications
Doki
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Default Thoughts on a Retro trackday car.


"Elder" wrote in message
t...
What would be good? For me, either something jap or something silly.

Doesn't have to be too fast, nothing too exotic parts cost wise.
My thoughts were
Tatty Mk1 MR2 with ticket.
Volvo 340 1.7 (usually immaculate due to one giffer owner rwd not as
slow as reckoned, pretty hard to break).
Volvo 740 turbo saloon (cheap because it isn't an estate, will take a
manual boost controller for some extra oomph, rwd).
My brother who fancies going halves suggestion was an Escort SI.
Nothing else, just an Escort SI. No other car on the planet comes close
to providing the performance, parts cost and handling per quid than an
Escort SI in his world and he would be happy to trailer it behind his
Shogun. Or maybe a Nova at a push. He has no imagination.

This would be something that would have almost everything inside that
isn't needed for the MOT stripped out plus a couple of speakers and
radio for the times we drive there rather than tow, and a pair of bucket
seats. trackmods would be a fresh pair of shocks and some lower stiffer
springs, plus one box removed from the system and replaced with a length
of pipe, plus a hollowed cat if it pre-92, and a homebrew cold air
intake. Simple mods to free up breather and body roll.

I really like RWD, but for some reason he wants a FWD blue oval.


Something someone else has prepped. There may be the odd thing you'd have
done better or differently, but these cars very rarely sell for anything
like the cost of assembling them. FWIW, you wouldn't get me barrelling round
a circuit in a ratty old piece of tin, of uncertain structural strength with
no mods - bare minimum will be better brakes and good shocks IMO. A cage
would be high on my list of priorities as soon as you got to the point of
carrying any speed...

My choices would be: 205, MR2, E30, Ratty 924.

As I said to Timo, it's useful if you can buy something there's a race
series for and prep to something along those lines if you want to recoup any
kind of resale value.

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Old June 27th 09, 07:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications
Doki
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Default Thoughts on a Retro trackday car.


"Doki" wrote in message
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My choices would be: 205, MR2, E30, Ratty 924.


Or a Clio 172/182. Ratty ones are round about £2-3K now which is easily the
cost of prepping a car, and these are supposed to be good out of the box.

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Old June 27th 09, 07:47 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications
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Default Thoughts on a Retro trackday car.

"Elder" wrote in message
t...
What would be good? For me, either something jap or something silly.

Doesn't have to be too fast, nothing too exotic parts cost wise.
My thoughts were
Tatty Mk1 MR2 with ticket.
Volvo 340 1.7 (usually immaculate due to one giffer owner rwd not as
slow as reckoned, pretty hard to break).
Volvo 740 turbo saloon (cheap because it isn't an estate, will take a
manual boost controller for some extra oomph, rwd).
My brother who fancies going halves suggestion was an Escort SI.
Nothing else, just an Escort SI. No other car on the planet comes close
to providing the performance, parts cost and handling per quid than an
Escort SI in his world and he would be happy to trailer it behind his
Shogun. Or maybe a Nova at a push. He has no imagination.

This would be something that would have almost everything inside that
isn't needed for the MOT stripped out plus a couple of speakers and
radio for the times we drive there rather than tow, and a pair of bucket
seats. trackmods would be a fresh pair of shocks and some lower stiffer
springs, plus one box removed from the system and replaced with a length
of pipe, plus a hollowed cat if it pre-92, and a homebrew cold air
intake. Simple mods to free up breather and body roll.

I really like RWD, but for some reason he wants a FWD blue oval.



Hmm. Okay so trying to think of this from another perspective, if I wanted
a track day car to learn about how the stuff I usually drove handled and
went under stress, then something front wheel drive with a turbocharger
could suit.

Perhaps that's why?

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Old June 27th 09, 07:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications
JackH
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Default Thoughts on a Retro trackday car.


"DervMan" wrote in message
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"Elder" wrote in message
t...
What would be good? For me, either something jap or something silly.

Doesn't have to be too fast, nothing too exotic parts cost wise.
My thoughts were
Tatty Mk1 MR2 with ticket.
Volvo 340 1.7 (usually immaculate due to one giffer owner rwd not as
slow as reckoned, pretty hard to break).
Volvo 740 turbo saloon (cheap because it isn't an estate, will take a
manual boost controller for some extra oomph, rwd).
My brother who fancies going halves suggestion was an Escort SI.
Nothing else, just an Escort SI. No other car on the planet comes close
to providing the performance, parts cost and handling per quid than an
Escort SI in his world and he would be happy to trailer it behind his
Shogun. Or maybe a Nova at a push. He has no imagination.

This would be something that would have almost everything inside that
isn't needed for the MOT stripped out plus a couple of speakers and
radio for the times we drive there rather than tow, and a pair of bucket
seats. trackmods would be a fresh pair of shocks and some lower stiffer
springs, plus one box removed from the system and replaced with a length
of pipe, plus a hollowed cat if it pre-92, and a homebrew cold air
intake. Simple mods to free up breather and body roll.

I really like RWD, but for some reason he wants a FWD blue oval.



Hmm. Okay so trying to think of this from another perspective, if I
wanted a track day car to learn about how the stuff I usually drove
handled and went under stress, then something front wheel drive with a
turbocharger could suit.


Perhaps that's why?


Is the Escort SI turbocharged, then? :-P

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Old June 27th 09, 08:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.modifications
Timo Geusch
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Default Thoughts on a Retro trackday car.

Elder writes:

What would be good? For me, either something jap or something silly.

Doesn't have to be too fast, nothing too exotic parts cost wise.
My thoughts were
Tatty Mk1 MR2 with ticket.


This one if you can find one that's not terminally rusty. Which is a
*big* problem. They handle rather well out of the box so you pretty much
don't need to do anything to them for basic track fun.

I really like RWD, but for some reason he wants a FWD blue oval.


The heresy...

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