Any knowledge / experience of this? Just curious (My logic being the
increased O2 in the cylinder over air or nitrous).

Cheers,

Roger Melly.

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Any knowledge / experience of this? Just curious (My logic being the
increased O2 in the cylinder over air or nitrous).

Cheers,

Roger Melly.


LOADS of reasons! You are gona wish you never asked. And I am so fed up
with answering this on an almost weekly basis that I am going to add this to
my web site!

a) When you compress nitrous oxide gas into a bottle it goes into a liquid -
a bit like looking through a clear cheapo cigarette lighter... With its own
vapour or "gas" above holding it in this state.
It takes up massively lesss space than compressed gas does and solves its
own storage problems. It also means that the bottle pressure never changes
(much) as the content level varies. Its sits there in perfect equilibrium.
Only the temperature can change the pressure.

So that means that a bottle thats almost empty has the same 800 psi in it at
room temp as one thats just been filled. We can then jet the nitrous system
in a simple way and get a consistent liquid nitrous flow regardless of "how
much is left" in the bottle as long as some is!

It boils off and restores its own 800 psi at room temperature pretty damned
quick no matter how fast we use it up or leave it stored. It keeps itself
liquid just like LPG or many other gasses. Oxygen (technically O1) cant
live on its own it gets lonely. It combines with its self. So really its O2
(or for short periods O3 or Ozone if you prefer but it prefers 2 atoms cos 3
is a crowd but it cant live just with itself it gets lonely! Weird or what)

Now O2 or Oxygen as we know it cannot be compressed into a liquid. This
causes huge problems. You have to cool it F cold to get it liquid. Now you
can keep it liquid by allowing it to boil off slowly like you see on TV with
liquid nitrogen. Or like NASA did with the moon landing Saturn Five Rocket.
A bit impractical for a car...

But you can compress it. Unfortunately as you use it the pressure falls off
fast. So you need a regulator and regulate the gas that comes off at
whatever fixed pressure you choose. But it better be a big regulator! You
are going to need a lot of this gas.

Now even a BIG bottle with say 3000 psi of compressed oxygen in it is still
very little actual Oxygen compared to the amount of oxygen stored in a small
bottle of LIQUID nitrous oxide.

b) We inject LIQUID nitrous oxide at a controlled rate via a jet into the
intake system. Here it starts to absorb heat from the air in the cars intake
system causing MORE AIR to be drawn into the intake due to the rate of
contraction and cooling of the air. At least in sane power output settings!
So manifold depression actually increases at the same time as you are adding
more oxygen! Clever trick. And at the same time the charge is drastically
cooled. To way cooler than any intercooler could ever achieve! This charge
cooling and manifold depression increase along with increased charge density
is where much of the extra power comes from.

Introducing gaseous oxygen instead does two things... If you could add
enough to get any appreciable power increase it takes the place of the
incoming air via the carb/throttle body. On the face of it not an issue. But
unlike nitrous oxide which i) does the opposite, ii) cools the charge
massively. But thats not the worst! Tha bad bit is that it both "blocks off"
the nitrogen coing in the intake and contains none itself.

c) consider what happens in the combustion chamber. With nitrous we have the
Nitrous Oxide compound in very cold dense form (no free oxygen here until
AFTER combustion!) and we have the normal air (plus a bit extra since its
now ice cold) and the fuel. Under compression nothing happens until the
spark. Then as the normal ignition process of air (oxygen/nitrogen/fuel)
takes place the NITROGEN absorbs the heat and expands and because the
Nitrous oxide compound doesent split up until after ignition then the
initial charge thats compressed and then lit is over rich too. At this time
the Nitrous oxide compound splits! Then it releases 2 nitrogen atoms and 1
oxygen atom from every N2O compound molecule. So now the freshly released
oxygen can oxydise the remaining fuel. And its all very safe.

Now try this with Oxygen instead! You have very little nitrogen. You have
the fuel. And you have a warmer charge thats very Oxygen rich BEFORE
ignition. Under compression any tiny glowing particles left over from the
previous combustion cycle, or a hot valve or plug electrode will cause
ignition! Very early! and very quickly. Effectively you will run over your
own crankshaft. Ever play oxygen on to a bit of hot metal? Or watched a
science teacher relight an extinguished taper by dipping in a test tube of
oxygen? Its not what you want happening before the spark! And even if you
dont run into those problems there are more!

d) After ignition you will have horendous heat problems. Think melted.
Because... The Inert Nitrogen (78 percent of air and 64 percent of the split
up Nitrous Oxide) is absolutely essential.

It is this that prevents the horrible detonation and runaway heat problems
that your car would have by absorbing the heat generated and expanding to
shove the piston down. It is the most abundant gas in the combustion
chamber. And it really does need to be. And remember that the gaseous oxygen
that you add to your engines intake system actually displaces the nitrogen
that would have entered by the throttle plate.

Does this help?

Incidentally I tried it anyway with the oxygen gas from a welding torch on
an unsuspecting 125 honda. Sounded awful and emmited many sparks. Good job
it wasnt mine...

On 29 Jul, 20:29, "Burgerman" wrote:

Does this help?

Yes, thanks! I knew I could rely on your for a comprehensive reply!

Cheers man.

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On 29 Jul, 20:29, "Burgerman" wrote:

Does this help?

Yes, thanks! I knew I could rely on your for a comprehensive reply!

Cheers man.


I posted my rambling here now so that every time I get the same question I
can just reply with a link!

http://www.nitrous.info/oxygen-inste...rous-oxide.htm