"Bob Sherunckle" gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:


Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 197
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1200

1200 KG ??!!!!!

For a Clio ?

That's shocking, don't you think ?

Have you seen the size of the current Clio?

3986mm long, 2025mm wide, 1496mm high

Golf GTI MK1 for comparison.

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 112
Weight without Driver (KG) : 810

Golf GTi Mk1 for comparison...

3890mm long, 1640mm wide, 1410mm high

So the Golf - nominally, a "class up" from the Clio (or 5, back in the
day) - is not only shorter and lower, but the Clio is a full 385mm wider
- 15", or damn near 25%...

Tony (UncleFista) wrote:

"Burgerman" wrote in message
...
A bit less I would have though.

Bugger, looks like I was bragging now, I prefer to look clueless

But without a dyno who knows.

Do the figures backwards until it matches the real standing quarter
then you should have a rough idea?

I'm looking for a bit of software for WindowsCE (my satnav) that
measures quarter-mile, 0-60 etc. called "MoreRevs" or summat, or some
other software if anyone knows of any ? I'm not trying to do a 0-60 dash
with a stopwatch in my hand.

It wont be very accurate though because I have a bunch of real figures
here (standing quarters@mph from long marston, pod, york, and dyno
figures) for a bunch of vehicles I ran over the years. Some are about
right. The rest are are quite fast or really slow! It doesent seem to
allow for traction (lack of) other than front/rear drive, or
differences in drag etc. Or the fact that you cant use full throttle
for the first 1/8th on some really fast stuff... Seems ok on regular
shaped relatively low powered cars.

Never thought of that, it spins the wheels pretty easily in the lower
gears, so in Real Life it's bound to be a fair bit slower...

Anyway, it's all academic at the moment, needs fixing. ;(

Trouble is that most GPS devices update about once per second, which is
possibly acceptable resolution for 1/4mile runs, but for 0-60 you have
quite an error margin. Still a nice toy, mind... :-)

Burgerman wrote:



Years ago I used a thing called a Vericom dash computer.

http://www.vericomcomputers.com/

It relies only on a bunch of solid state accelerometers.
It was big and heavy and cost loads, it plugged into a fag lighter
socket and stuck on the screen.

It was accurate to a bunch of decimal places.
It was as accurate as the timing lights/beams that PB used to speed trap
bikes at bruntingthorpe and as good as the timing beams at santa pod etc.


You can now get tiny cheap versions from places like
http://www.gtechpro.com/prod.html

Indeed, they are useful, although they aren't as accurate as you might
think. The accelerometers have a finite useful resolution, so an error
on the reading, which may be much less than 1%, but the error on the
speed you calculate from the measured acceleration then increases with
time. It's fine for very short runs (0-60), possibly 1/4 miles, but
anything much longer and you will have a noticeable +/- mph error.

What you REALLY need is something which has accelerometers AND a GPS -
the accelerometer gives excellent precision over the period between GPS
updates (~1 second).

Quite a few laptops now have 3-axis accelerometers built in - I have
written a small app for my macbook which lets you stick it on the
passenger seat, do a basic calibration, and then measure accel, 0-60,
1/4 mile etc.. and estimate actual wheel power. Which is pretty cool, I
reckon :-)

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
"Bob Sherunckle" gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:


Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 197
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1200

1200 KG ??!!!!!

For a Clio ?

That's shocking, don't you think ?

Have you seen the size of the current Clio?

3986mm long, 2025mm wide, 1496mm high

Golf GTI MK1 for comparison.

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 112
Weight without Driver (KG) : 810

Golf GTi Mk1 for comparison...

3890mm long, 1640mm wide, 1410mm high

So the Golf - nominally, a "class up" from the Clio (or 5, back in the
day) - is not only shorter and lower, but the Clio is a full 385mm wider
- 15", or damn near 25%...

And 75% less cool.

"Bob Sherunckle" wrote in message
...

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 197
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1200

1200 KG ??!!!!!

For a Clio ?

That's shocking, don't you think ?


Aye, but we all know cars have got heavier because of all the safety stuff
that has to go into them. Which is a shame, but there's nothing I can
really do heh. And they've increased the power from the earlier ones so it
still has the same power to weight at the 182. It still feels small to
drive 'cos it has a really brilliant chassis/suspensio setup - the best FWD
one I've ever driven, along with the best brakes I've ever known on a road
car as well. The Clio Cup race cars have the same brakes :-)

And the real perk of the 197 is that unlike the previous RenaultSport Clios,
it's making the quoted power (once it's run in) on the rollers as well -
plenty of reports of 198-202bhp :-). I know mine's a healthy one as it
keeps bang up with my mates Corsa VXR - they're perfectly even, with my
slight extra weight, and his little extra torque. Although on the 'between
round abouts test' on my private road, we found on the straight it was bang
even, but I could get round the roundabout quicker :-p

As I said when I bought it, it's a real shame everyone in here hasn't had a
go at blasting down some B-roads in one to maybe re-align some prejudices.
I know certain members would never admit they enjoyed it, but I am 100%
certain everyone in here that still enjoys driving, or remembers what it's
like to drive for fun, would love it. None of that was aimed anywhere near
you of course John, just at the more objectionable members.

--
Dan
Clio R27 F1 #65


--
Dan
Clio R27 F1 #65

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
"Bob Sherunckle" gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:


Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 197
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1200

1200 KG ??!!!!!

For a Clio ?

That's shocking, don't you think ?

Have you seen the size of the current Clio?

3986mm long, 2025mm wide, 1496mm high

Golf GTI MK1 for comparison.

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 112
Weight without Driver (KG) : 810

Golf GTi Mk1 for comparison...

3890mm long, 1640mm wide, 1410mm high

So the Golf - nominally, a "class up" from the Clio (or 5, back in the
day) - is not only shorter and lower, but the Clio is a full 385mm wider
- 15", or damn near 25%...


Well, yea, but that was 20 years ago. VWs Polo GTi, they're current Clio
class car is 3914mm long, 1650mm wide, 1467mm high. So, it's longer than
the Clio, albeit quite a bit narrower, and bigger than the Golf is every
way. Not sure what the relevence of this is however...

Worth noting the RS Clios are 60mm wider than a normal spec Clio. They have
a much wider track, and as such, wider arches etc. They look much better
for it as well, gives them a way better 'stance'.

--
Dan
Clio R27 F1 #65

"DanB" gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Well, yea, but that was 20 years ago.

Try 30+. The Mk1 Golf GTi was released in '76 or '77.

VWs Polo GTi, they're current Clio class car is 3914mm long
So, it's longer than the Clio

Umm, no, slightly shorter.

Not sure what the relevence of this is however...

It explains why the Clio's such a fat ******* in comparison to a Mk1 Golf.

Worth noting the RS Clios are 60mm wider than a normal spec Clio. They
have a much wider track, and as such, wider arches etc. They look much
better for it as well, gives them a way better 'stance'.

Furry muff. The figures I gave were from Parkers - and were for a normal
Clio.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
"DanB" gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Well, yea, but that was 20 years ago.

Try 30+. The Mk1 Golf GTi was released in '76 or '77.

VWs Polo GTi, they're current Clio class car is 3914mm long
So, it's longer than the Clio

Umm, no, slightly shorter.

Yea sorry I read the figure for the Golf heh.

Not sure what the relevence of this is however...

It explains why the Clio's such a fat ******* in comparison to a Mk1 Golf.

Worth noting the RS Clios are 60mm wider than a normal spec Clio. They
have a much wider track, and as such, wider arches etc. They look much
better for it as well, gives them a way better 'stance'.

Furry muff. The figures I gave were from Parkers - and were for a normal
Clio.

RS.co.uk gives the width as 1768mm or 2025mm including the mirrors, and the
height as 1484mm unladen - mine would 7mm lower having the Cup chassis -
"Ride height lowered by 7mm - Stiffer springs - 27% at the front and 30%
at the rear - Dampers stiffened by 10%" also from the RS website :-) So
it's actually not as much wider as I thought as that figure for the Polo
(1650mm) is no including the mirrors either. Mind you, that Polo is due to
be replaced by the a new Polo any time soon, which I'm sure will be bigger
again because, unfortunately that's what happens m'afraid! We can all
complain as much as we like, but cars are just gonna keep growing heh. The
new Twingo is based on the chassis of the 182, the previous Clio is now the
car in the 'smaller' class heh! Shame the Twingo doesn't get the 197 engine
really, as the new RenaultSport one looks pretty cool I think (although no
one will agree I'm sure hehe)
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadca...agegallery.asp.

And I bet the Golf one doesn't include the mirrors, because the standard
'car width' measurement doesn't seem to be mirror to mirror, but widest body
point to point AFAICS, but if I'm honest, I couldn't be arsed to look that
hard :-) Car widths aren't *that* interesting it turns out :-(

--
Dan
Clio R27 F1 #65

"DanB" gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Shame the Twingo doesn't get the 197 engine really, as the new
RenaultSport one looks pretty cool I think (although no one will agree
I'm sure hehe)

Much prefer the original Twingo.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
"DanB" gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Shame the Twingo doesn't get the 197 engine really, as the new
RenaultSport one looks pretty cool I think (although no one will agree
I'm sure hehe)

Much prefer the original Twingo.

That doesn't surprise me at all hehe

--
Dan
Clio R27 F1 #65