On May 7, 8:02 am, "Tim S Kemp"
wrote:
Pete M wrote:
wrote:
Drove a 2007 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S yesterday.

Not as quick as you'd think off the mark (might be something to do
with the fact I'm used to the performance big bikes put out)... but
ever so smooth and feels really well built.

Once you're in the upper gears though... I can see why people lose
their licences with one of these. :-D

I want one... badly. :-)

A trader I know had a tiptronic '04 plate 911 C2 a few months back. He
had a worrying habit of driving absolutely balls out through Sheffield
in it whilst chatting away on his mobile and routing through bits of
paperwork in this briefcase. He loved the 911, and it was very nice,
but the reason he loved it was "This gearbox thing's brilliant, foot
t'deck and it'll work like an auto, changes to first when you stop
then changes up at red line til you stop again. Quickest way across
town, these".
He's also got a Cayenne that he seems to drive the same way.

Must be doing well, driving a Cayenne like that is single digit fuel
consumption

Wouldn't mind an aircooled 911, but wouldn't kick a Boxster into
touch, and even a fully loaded Cayenne would be a giggle I reckon,
fuel covered of course.

In article ,
says...

Agreed. I test drove a Boxster couple of years ago. Didn't really
see what all the fuss was about, wasn't that fast, wasn't that comfy,
wasn't special at all really. 911s on the other hand are different...

The boxster is special. It has probably the best handling balance of ANY car
under 50 grand, maybe even under 100k, that you can use everyday.

That sentence says nothing and the fact that Porsche is milking the
Boxster with multiple and "special" versions, shows that it is far from
the optimum.

I suppose Dan uses his CLio V6 every day too and that car (easiliy some
20-30 others) will run circles around the Boxster. The new 2007-2008
Elise on its turn will run circles around Dan's car.

It can be
set up to be as pointy and nimble as a lotus

No, it can't.

From experience : a Boxster on *slicks* was outperformed by a 2007 Lotus
Elise on road tires on a circuit. The 2007 Elise on his turn was
ridiculed by a 4-year old R340.

There are three performance definers: resistance, weight and power. The
Lotus Elise outclasses the Boxster on all three.

yet has ABS, aircon, heated
seats etc and doesn't weigh too much.

The Boxster weighs 30% more than the Lotus Elise S2 who has also ABS,
aircon.



It has been said that given the same
power as a 911 the Boxster is faster point to point.What makes it even more
special is that it'll stand daily use as well as any german saloon would.


A lot of BS has been said too.

Power being equal leaves still an incredible lot of parameters free.
Just to name one: LS-Diff. A LSD-equipped 911 with similar power as a
Boxster needs just a twisty road for 10 miles to annihilate the Boxster.

The Boxster is a nice car. Hairdressers and women like it a lot. That
was in fact the targetmarket along with the Californian guys.

Claiming it is a superior car to the competition is rather funny: the
key to the Boxster is shape and desing, it's assembled out of obsolete
Porsche parts, reason number 1 why Porsche makes such interesting
profits out of it. Reason also why Porsche does not race it.

Tom De Moor

In article f5f63ca7-c7c4-4876-a8cb-
,
says...

Wouldn't mind an aircooled 911, but wouldn't kick a Boxster into
touch, and even a fully loaded Cayenne would be a giggle I reckon,
fuel covered of course.



But if you come from a recent 911 into a Boxster, you would feel like
you step into poverty class.

As to a fully loaded Cayenne (even with fuel covered): weight. Porsche
would love you for driving it to the limit: your maintenance bills would
topple the fuel bill.

Believe me: entering a corner 50 kph too fast with something weighing
around 2300 kg high on its wheels is not a giggle, it can make you old
before your age.

Tom De Moor

Tom De Moor wrote:
says...

It has been said that given the same
power as a 911 the Boxster is faster point to point.What makes it even more
special is that it'll stand daily use as well as any german saloon would.


A lot of BS has been said too.

Power being equal leaves still an incredible lot of parameters free.
Just to name one: LS-Diff. A LSD-equipped 911 with similar power as a
Boxster needs just a twisty road for 10 miles to annihilate the Boxster.

The Boxster is a nice car. Hairdressers and women like it a lot. That
was in fact the targetmarket along with the Californian guys.

Claiming it is a superior car to the competition is rather funny: the
key to the Boxster is shape and desing, it's assembled out of obsolete
Porsche parts, reason number 1 why Porsche makes such interesting
profits out of it. Reason also why Porsche does not race it.

Someone I know got within .25 of a second of a 2001 Boxster S in his
1998 MX-5 at a Sprint I was at a few weekends ago.

This means that Boxsters cost a lot more than MX-5s but are only a
little bit faster. (c:

--
Douglas - MX-5 Owner.

Douglas Payne gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Someone I know got within .25 of a second of a 2001 Boxster S in his
1998 MX-5 at a Sprint I was at a few weekends ago.

This means that Boxsters cost a lot more than MX-5s but are only a
little bit faster. (c:

Or it could just mean that the bloke in the MX-5 was better at sprints
than the bloke in the Boxy?

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Douglas Payne gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Someone I know got within .25 of a second of a 2001 Boxster S in his
1998 MX-5 at a Sprint I was at a few weekends ago.

This means that Boxsters cost a lot more than MX-5s but are only a
little bit faster. (c:

Or it could just mean that the bloke in the MX-5 was better at sprints
than the bloke in the Boxy?


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooo.................................... .....................

The bloke in the Boxster is a retired gentleman who needed something to use
whilst his real race car has a new engine fitted.

His normal car is a thing called an Autotune Gemini and it used to have a
steel xflow, but that is no longer enough.
It's having an S2000 engine fitted.

Adrian wrote:
Douglas Payne gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Someone I know got within .25 of a second of a 2001 Boxster S in his
1998 MX-5 at a Sprint I was at a few weekends ago.

This means that Boxsters cost a lot more than MX-5s but are only a
little bit faster. (c:

Or it could just mean that the bloke in the MX-5 was better at sprints
than the bloke in the Boxy?

Well, there's lots of factors. The Boxster was in street trim, the
bloke's daily driver. His normal Sprint/Hillclimb car was having work
done on it, I think it was some sort of classic, or maybe a Morgan, but
the bloke had been doing sprints there since time began although not
often in this car.

The MX-5 has induction kit and back box (so ~40bhp up on standard
then?[1]), uprated ARBs and coilovers - lowered 40mm or so and on Toyo
888s I think. It was his first time out in the car after the suspension
mods bar having taken it to be aligned and corner weighted. He only
started competing last year, but there was still a significant power
advantage for the Boxster.

Boxster S has a significant power advantage over an MX-5 but are geared
differently, I don't think there are any other MX-5s in the championship
to compare with, and apart from some stripped out Civic VTis, there
wasn't much else putting in similar times.

Anyway, it still led me to the conclusion that for fastness in this
sport, you don't have to spend Porsche money.

[1] Hehehehe (c:
--
Douglas

Bob Sherunckle wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
Douglas Payne gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Someone I know got within .25 of a second of a 2001 Boxster S in his
1998 MX-5 at a Sprint I was at a few weekends ago.

This means that Boxsters cost a lot more than MX-5s but are only a
little bit faster. (c:
Or it could just mean that the bloke in the MX-5 was better at sprints
than the bloke in the Boxy?


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooo.................................... .....................

The bloke in the Boxster is a retired gentleman who needed something to use
whilst his real race car has a new engine fitted.

His normal car is a thing called an Autotune Gemini and it used to have a
steel xflow, but that is no longer enough.
It's having an S2000 engine fitted.

Whoops.

Oh well, he looked like he might have been a Morgan fan. (c:

Don't tell him I said that.

--
Douglas

On 6 May, 20:42, "DanB" wrote:
"Vamp" wrote in message

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wrote in message
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Drove a 2007 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S yesterday.

Not as quick as you'd think off the mark (might be something to do
with the fact I'm used to the performance big bikes put out)... but
ever so smooth and feels really well built.

Once you're in the upper gears though... I can see why people lose
their licences with one of these. :-D

I want one... badly. :-)

been in one and driven one don't think it was the 4S (thats the 4wd one
i'm guessing) one i drove was the rwd one and it felt lively enough to me!
be snug though but i do like porsche proper ones not the boxster the
boxster just has a whole different feel doesn't feel special enough.

Agreed. *I test drove a Boxster couple of years ago. *Didn't really see what
all the fuss was about, wasn't that fast, wasn't that comfy, wasn't special
at all really. *911s on the other hand are different...

I've not tried a Boxster... or anything else considered to be in the
sort of super car territory that a 911 is in for that matter.

All I know is, it's realigned my idea of what constitues a 'decent
car' and I'm not so sure I want to get on the property ladder any
more. ;-)

I ended up driving it as we needed to get a few cars down to a show
that was held at Lydden circuit at the weekend - the 'BHP Performance
Show'.

The Porsche ended up lapping most things round the track when driven
by the dyno owner, including several Skylines etc.

Even better was when he took out his Radical (1) - nothing could get
near that. :-)

It was quite an interesting day anyway - plenty of modded cars, (some
even modded in a tasteful way), a few concours Mk2 Escorts etc, that
kind of thing and plenty of drifting out on the track.

(1) The Haybusa engined (2) supercharged version
(2) ...well, bored out to 1500cc anyway

--
JackH

On 6 May, 21:49, "Tim.." wrote:
wrote in message

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Drove a 2007 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S yesterday.

Not as quick as you'd think off the mark (might be something to do
with the fact I'm used to the performance big bikes put out)... but
ever so smooth and feels really well built.

Once you're in the upper gears though... I can see why people lose
their licences with one of these. :-D

I want one... badly. :-)

Friend has the regualr *911 2S with the sports pack and flappy loud/quiet
exhaust what-not, immensely drivable whether it be 10mph or 100mph it doesnt
mind.

Aye... I just wish I'd been given more time to drive it.

And an average of 26mpg isnt bad either considering the go!

Indeed - the owner of this one reckons it's good on fuel if driven
sensibly.

--
JackH