"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:43:01 -0000, "Mike G"
wrote:

Not that old chestnut again.
If a link is provided, it makes sense for it to be in a form that is
easily
accepted by most newsreaders, which is why I always use 'SnipURL' for long
addresses. Yours becomes:-
http://snipurl.com/1stsd Much better.

Problem with those is people don't know where that link is actually
going to go, and in these malware rife times, it asking for trouble to
be reading the likes of usenet and be clicking on people's
tinyurl/snipurl posts.

Use tinyurl and turn "preview" on.

clive

"SteveH" wrote in message
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1983-FORD-FIES...H-A-DIFFERENCE
_W0QQitemZ200165808415QQihZ010QQcategoryZ29755QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQc
mdZViewItem

I daresay the father is dead because the fashion police dragged him off and
shot him.

Fraser

In article ,
says...
It was a pretty ****ing stupid response, wasn't it?

This is usenet, not a lunchtime carpark board meeting.

Things can less sense than a Manc living in Wales claiming a VW diesel
is the perfect car, with the best driving roads and nice surroundings.
--
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:44:11 -0000, "Clive George"
wrote:

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:43:01 -0000, "Mike G"
wrote:

Not that old chestnut again.
If a link is provided, it makes sense for it to be in a form that is
easily
accepted by most newsreaders, which is why I always use 'SnipURL' for long
addresses. Yours becomes:-
http://snipurl.com/1stsd Much better.

Problem with those is people don't know where that link is actually
going to go, and in these malware rife times, it asking for trouble to
be reading the likes of usenet and be clicking on people's
tinyurl/snipurl posts.

Use tinyurl and turn "preview" on.

Doesn't solve the problem whatsoever.

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
...

Problem with those is people don't know where that link is actually
going to go, and in these malware rife times, it asking for trouble to
be reading the likes of usenet and be clicking on people's
tinyurl/snipurl posts.

Use tinyurl and turn "preview" on.

Doesn't solve the problem whatsoever.

Um, it solves it entirely.

If somebody gives me a tinyurl link, when I click on it I get sent to the
tinyurl web page which tells me what the full link is. I can then click on
the "Proceed to this site" link if I can see it's a sensible url.

Posters of links can even make this explicit by doing eg

http://tinyurl.com/preview.php?num=fred

Of course if you think tinyurl are lying about where they say they're
sending you, it's not going to work, but if you think that it's probably tin
foil hat time.

clive

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:47:56 -0000, "Clive George"
wrote:

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
.. .

Problem with those is people don't know where that link is actually
going to go, and in these malware rife times, it asking for trouble to
be reading the likes of usenet and be clicking on people's
tinyurl/snipurl posts.

Use tinyurl and turn "preview" on.

Doesn't solve the problem whatsoever.

Um, it solves it entirely.

I see that TinyURL have now started doing the "preview.tinyurl.com",
which appears to be quite new (sometime early this year if usenet uses
of it is anything to go off), which allows the reader to see that it's
a previewed link. This didn't used to be the case and therefore even
though the poster might have used preview, the reader couldn't tell
and still had to trust the poster.


Posters of links can even make this explicit by doing eg

http://tinyurl.com/preview.php?num=fred

I'm guessing that was a previous method for achieving the same thing
before they started supporting preview.tinyurl.com? It certainly
doesn't seem to have been in regular use, resulting in only 211
matches in usenet across all time!

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:47:56 -0000, "Clive George"
wrote:

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
. ..

Problem with those is people don't know where that link is actually
going to go, and in these malware rife times, it asking for trouble to
be reading the likes of usenet and be clicking on people's
tinyurl/snipurl posts.

Use tinyurl and turn "preview" on.

Doesn't solve the problem whatsoever.

Um, it solves it entirely.

I see that TinyURL have now started doing the "preview.tinyurl.com",
which appears to be quite new (sometime early this year if usenet uses
of it is anything to go off), which allows the reader to see that it's
a previewed link. This didn't used to be the case and therefore even
though the poster might have used preview, the reader couldn't tell
and still had to trust the poster.

Actually, the preview feature has been around longer than that, and it's
configurable for the reader, rather than the poster. Whenever I click on eg
http://tinyurl.com/fred, I go to the preview version.

If you go directly to tinyurl.com, you can turn previews on for all your
tinyurl use. Of course if you're allergic to cookies, you're stuffed, but at
that point I refer you to the tin foil hat/black helicopter brigade.

clive

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:37:27 -0000, "Clive George"
wrote:

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:47:56 -0000, "Clive George"
wrote:

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
...

Problem with those is people don't know where that link is actually
going to go, and in these malware rife times, it asking for trouble to
be reading the likes of usenet and be clicking on people's
tinyurl/snipurl posts.

Use tinyurl and turn "preview" on.

Doesn't solve the problem whatsoever.

Um, it solves it entirely.

I see that TinyURL have now started doing the "preview.tinyurl.com",
which appears to be quite new (sometime early this year if usenet uses
of it is anything to go off), which allows the reader to see that it's
a previewed link. This didn't used to be the case and therefore even
though the poster might have used preview, the reader couldn't tell
and still had to trust the poster.

Actually, the preview feature has been around longer than that, and it's
configurable for the reader, rather than the poster. Whenever I click on eg
http://tinyurl.com/fred, I go to the preview version.

Yep, I read about that too - but the aspect which is new, is the
different "preview." part, which allows the poster to declare to the
reader that he's used a preview redirect. Before that, the URL was
still a "tinyurl." even if it were set as a preview and therefore
there was no way for the reader to know.


If you go directly to tinyurl.com, you can turn previews on for all your
tinyurl use.

Yeah, I noticed that and turned that on last time around. Thanks.

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
...

Yep, I read about that too - but the aspect which is new, is the
different "preview." part, which allows the poster to declare to the
reader that he's used a preview redirect. Before that, the URL was
still a "tinyurl." even if it were set as a preview and therefore
there was no way for the reader to know.

Actually, the preview is set entirely at the reader's end - you don't set
one of their links to preview when you create it. Ie it isn't the poster's
problem, though using the preview version of the link is a good way of
explicitly forcing it.

If you go directly to tinyurl.com, you can turn previews on for all your
tinyurl use.

Yeah, I noticed that and turned that on last time around. Thanks.

Cool, so you're now sorted - which kind of renders the previous paragraph
irrelevant, but I thought it worth clearing up the confusion you were still
apparently suffering.

clive

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:24:04 -0000, "Clive George"
wrote:

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
.. .

Yep, I read about that too - but the aspect which is new, is the
different "preview." part, which allows the poster to declare to the
reader that he's used a preview redirect. Before that, the URL was
still a "tinyurl." even if it were set as a preview and therefore
there was no way for the reader to know.

Actually, the preview is set entirely at the reader's end - you don't set
one of their links to preview when you create it. Ie it isn't the poster's
problem, though using the preview version of the link is a good way of
explicitly forcing it.

Like I've said before, this is all new. It even says "new" next to the
feature on their website. It certainly used to be the case that any
tinyurl could take you direct to the site or preview it first - but
the url posted didn't indicate which it was and there was no cookie
you could locally set to control this.


If you go directly to tinyurl.com, you can turn previews on for all your
tinyurl use.

Yeah, I noticed that and turned that on last time around. Thanks.

Cool, so you're now sorted - which kind of renders the previous paragraph
irrelevant, but I thought it worth clearing up the confusion you were still
apparently suffering.

No confusion, it's just that they seemed to have finally acted to
clear the problem I mentioned - hence my complaints were out of date.