Willy Eckerslyke wrote:
DanB wrote:

Oh and the £8k car, probably some kind of large engined, turbo
diesel estate car - my parents have a 2002 Mondeo Ghia X estate (2.5
V6 petrol) and it's cavernous inside - and my retreiver has PLENTY of
room in the boot :-) The 130bhp TDCi has plenty of torque as well so
would do the job, on Autotrader a quick glance shows me a 2005, 05
plate 2.0 TDCi Ghia estate, with FFSH, 43k miles, all the toys like
climate/cruise etc for £7,789 from a place called Blackburn Motor
Village. It's a kinda dark red colour.

Isn't that likely to be worth about 50p in a couple of years time?

Why? Big diesel estates hold their value. Big diesel estates which go
well and are good to drive hold their value very well. Mondeo TDCI
prices are already inflated compared to the other engines in the range.

DanB wrote:
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"Marlon" wrote in message
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Willy Eckerslyke wrote:
Marlon wrote:

Have to be able to transport 4 people + 2 dogs (one large, one
small) + luggage the length of the country in comfort (hence "family"
5-seater with good sized boot).
Have to be able to cope with towing a 1200kg (when occupied) horse
box (but just on local trips), so probably minimum 1.8l engine?

Does it have to be one vehicle? If not, I'd suggest an old Land Rover
for the towing, leaving you more of a choice when it comes to the car.
Yes it does really - I already have a 1970 VW Karmann Ghia in the garage
for "playtime" really don't think my conscience would square owning
3 cars personally (again!).

Well don't forget to chuck the 530 on eBay, to be towed away of course,
and someone will come and buy it and drive it away hehe!


Oh and the £8k car, probably some kind of large engined, turbo diesel
estate car - my parents have a 2002 Mondeo Ghia X estate (2.5 V6 petrol) and
it's cavernous inside - and my retreiver has PLENTY of room in the boot :-)
The 130bhp TDCi has plenty of torque as well so would do the job, on
Autotrader a quick glance shows me a 2005, 05 plate 2.0 TDCi Ghia estate,
with FFSH, 43k miles, all the toys like climate/cruise etc for £7,789 from a
place called Blackburn Motor Village. It's a kinda dark red colour.


My dad got his latest car from them, I think.

Albert T Cone gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Mondeo TDCI prices are already inflated compared to the other engines
in the range.

All the more reason for their prices to drop rapidly.

As diesel prices move away from petrol prices, the cost-to-run closes
right up. Add in the increasingly poor rep of modern diesels (DMFs,
particulate filters etc). Then consider that few people actually NEED as
much space as a Mondildo estate gives, and that a Focus is going to be
considerably cheaper to run.

Adrian wrote:
Albert T Cone gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

Mondeo TDCI prices are already inflated compared to the other engines
in the range.

All the more reason for their prices to drop rapidly.

As diesel prices move away from petrol prices, the cost-to-run closes
right up. Add in the increasingly poor rep of modern diesels (DMFs,
particulate filters etc). Then consider that few people actually NEED as
much space as a Mondildo estate gives, and that a Focus is going to be
considerably cheaper to run.

The price gap still has a long way to go to eat into the economy
differential.

I hate DMF's with something approaching a passion, but I don't think
that they are a significant consideration when buying; I would imagine
that many buyers don't know about the issues, or have chosen a fuel type
and accepted that they apply to all brands.

The prices of focus diesels with the decent engines are also inflated;
moreso in fact than the mondeo. The prices will stay inflated until
some competition appears in the market; this is happening a bit now,
with the Accord cdti and the B6 passat, but the prices aren't likely to
plummet radically, as far as I can see.

Albert T Cone gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

The price gap still has a long way to go to eat into the economy
differential.

Not when you factor in the higher purchase price. £5k will get you a 54-
plate 2.0 petrol Mondy estate or a TDCi a year older. Look at it the
other way round, and the 54-plate diesel will cost you a grand over the
petrol.

At 35mpg average for the petrol, at £1.20, or 47mpg at £1.35 for the
diesel, you're looking at 15p/mile for the petrol or 13p for the diesel.
So that purchase price difference will cover the price-per-mile
difference for 50,000 miles.

I hate DMF's with something approaching a passion, but I don't think
that they are a significant consideration when buying

Together with particulate filters, "Joe Average" is starting to have
heard of them and their ways - not always accurately, but they're
starting to equal "big bill" in minds.

The prices of focus diesels with the decent engines are also inflated;
moreso in fact than the mondeo.

I'm sure. So spend the same money on a petrol Focus and do damn near the
same average economy as the diesel Mondeo.

Albert T Cone wrote:
Willy Eckerslyke wrote:
DanB wrote:

would do the job, on Autotrader a quick glance shows me a 2005, 05
plate 2.0 TDCi Ghia estate, with FFSH, 43k miles, all the toys like
climate/cruise etc for £7,789 from a place called Blackburn Motor
Village. It's a kinda dark red colour.

Isn't that likely to be worth about 50p in a couple of years time?

Why?

Because that's what's happened with previous Mondeos. Our 1.8TD estate
was about half the price of anything else even remotely comparable.

Big diesel estates hold their value.

More than saloon versions, yes. But unless things have changed with the
newer versions, all Mondeos depreciate miles faster than contemporary
Passats, for example.

Big diesel estates which go
well and are good to drive hold their value very well. Mondeo TDCI
prices are already inflated compared to the other engines in the range.

OK, perhaps I'm wrong with the newer ones then, that's why I posed the
above as a question. Personally, I wouldn't want to risk that sort of
money unless I knew I'd be keeping it for a very long time.

Adrian wrote:

As diesel prices move away from petrol prices, the cost-to-run closes
right up. Add in the increasingly poor rep of modern diesels (DMFs,
particulate filters etc). Then consider that few people actually NEED as
much space as a Mondildo estate gives, and that a Focus is going to be
considerably cheaper to run.

I suspect I'm alone in thinking this, but I find the Focus estate quite
appalling to drive. We have one at work that's only a few months old and
I'm amazed how horrid it is. Also, the engine rattles like buggery,
dunno what type of diesel it is, but it's noisier than the Endura in our
Mondeo!

Willy Eckerslyke wrote:
Albert T Cone wrote:
Willy Eckerslyke wrote:
DanB wrote:

would do the job, on Autotrader a quick glance shows me a 2005, 05
plate 2.0 TDCi Ghia estate, with FFSH, 43k miles, all the toys like
climate/cruise etc for £7,789 from a place called Blackburn Motor
Village. It's a kinda dark red colour.

Isn't that likely to be worth about 50p in a couple of years time?

Why?

Because that's what's happened with previous Mondeos. Our 1.8TD estate
was about half the price of anything else even remotely comparable.

Ah, but the old 1.8TD was widely considered (slightly unjustly) to be an
utter dog of an engine, and the prices were actually depressed by that;
buying guides quite often said 'avoid the diesel - it's coarse and
noisy' or words to that effect. The new one has a very good engine, and
combined with the other qualities of the mondeo has actually made them
rather sought after - buying guides suggest them as the pick of the range.

Big diesel estates which go well and are good to drive hold their
value very well. Mondeo TDCI prices are already inflated compared to
the other engines in the range.

OK, perhaps I'm wrong with the newer ones then, that's why I posed the
above as a question. Personally, I wouldn't want to risk that sort of
money unless I knew I'd be keeping it for a very long time.
Agreed. I think it's madness to spend that sort of money on a car,
especially is it isn't a toy; £1k is sufficient for a practical family
car, £2k if you want toys.

"Marlon" wrote in message
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Willy Eckerslyke wrote:
Marlon wrote:

Have to be able to transport 4 people + 2 dogs (one large, one
small) + luggage the length of the country in comfort (hence "family"
5-seater with good sized boot).
Have to be able to cope with towing a 1200kg (when occupied) horse
box (but just on local trips), so probably minimum 1.8l engine?


Does it have to be one vehicle? If not, I'd suggest an old Land Rover for
the towing, leaving you more of a choice when it comes to the car.

Yes it does really - I already have a 1970 VW Karmann Ghia in the garage
for "playtime" really don't think my conscience would square owning
3 cars personally (again!).

There's a nice looking 182 in the back of Volksworld for towing.

As for 3 cars between 2 of us we have 3 Ghias here before starting on the
other stuff.

"Marlon" wrote in message
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Hi all,
took my '93 BMW 530i lump for a service yesterday, to find out too
many bits are dropping off & it's now beyond economical repair (quoted
around £1200 to put it all right on a car that would be worth c £600
when right - I inspected the issues, and agree that they're BIG issues).
So..... this being the rainy day I've clearly been saving for I
now have a budget of £8k for a replacement. Still sad though, the
lump's a great drive, great refinement.
However there are prerequisites for the new wheels:

Have to be able to transport 4 people + 2 dogs (one large, one
small) + luggage the length of the country in comfort (hence "family"
5-seater with good sized boot).
Have to be able to cope with towing a 1200kg (when occupied) horse
box (but just on local trips), so probably minimum 1.8l engine?
Must average (much) more than the 23.5 mpg I've been getting out of
the lump over the last 3 years I've owned it!

I've got ideas, sadly nothing particularly exciting as far as
motoring goes, as a result of last nights tinterweb searching, but
thought it might be interesting to see if anyone's got any particular
recommendations.
My SWMBO got excited by 4-year-old Jaguar X-types being down to
£7.5k now - til I pointed her at the fuel economy figures.....

Also, as I've never actually bought a car from a dealer before, if
a forecourt sticker says £8k, what do you think I should actually expect
to get a car for - and would no trade-in be a better bargaining
position?


2.5 TDi Allroad, is lightly to be a bit high on the odometer 85-100k and the
same for an A6 Quattro or even A4, of them the Allroad is supposed to be the
best for towing.