Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to figure this
out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral? Especially an experienced
driver like a highway patrolman. 5 seconds? Well, surely not long enough to
make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his family
with him?


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Electric cars are very healthy - when the battery runs out you have to walk
home.

On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to figure this
out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral? Especially an experienced
driver like a highway patrolman. 5 seconds? Well, surely not long enough to
make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his family
with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

--
David Taylor

David Taylor wrote:
On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5
seconds? Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

An auto box without a neutral position on the selector?



--
Electric cars are very healthy - when the battery runs out you have to
walk home.

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:29:22 -0000, GB wrote:

David Taylor wrote:
On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5
seconds? Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

An auto box without a neutral position on the selector?




& ~I've yet to see a keyless ignition you can't turn off, or a Toyota that
wouldn't stop if you stood on the footbrake in 5th. Thereagain there are
some people who are too daft to try turning off the ignition or puttung
the car into neutral.

On 05/02/2010 09:05, Duncan Wood wrote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:29:22 -0000, GB wrote:

David Taylor wrote:
On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5
seconds? Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece


What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

An auto box without a neutral position on the selector?




& ~I've yet to see a keyless ignition you can't turn off, or a Toyota
that wouldn't stop if you stood on the footbrake in 5th. Thereagain
there are some people who are too daft to try turning off the ignition
or puttung the car into neutral.

If your accelerator is jammed down and you declutch or put the car into
neutral I guess the engine would blow up now that the load has been
taken off it. It seems to me that the only sensible course of action is
to switch it off.

Rob Graham

GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5 seconds?
Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Darwinism in action.
ignition off is first thing (I believe this was a keyless vehicle that
required a 3 second press on the button to turn it off) If that cannot be
done then neutral (it doesn't matter if the engine blows) Braking normally
on a vehicle with a stuck throttle at speed will cook the brakes very
quickly and they will then appear to not work (as in this case) but if it
is in neutral the brakes will slow the car normally, if the throttle is wide
open and it is in gear (particularly an auto) then a panic stop might do it,
but a several hundred horsepower engine trying to move you forward with
torque converter help would take some massive braking effort to overcome.

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:22:56 GMT, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5 seconds?
Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Darwinism in action.
ignition off is first thing (I believe this was a keyless vehicle that
required a 3 second press on the button to turn it off) If that cannot be
done then neutral (it doesn't matter if the engine blows) Braking normally
on a vehicle with a stuck throttle at speed will cook the brakes very
quickly and they will then appear to not work (as in this case) but if it
is in neutral the brakes will slow the car normally, if the throttle is wide
open and it is in gear (particularly an auto) then a panic stop might do it,
but a several hundred horsepower engine trying to move you forward with
torque converter help would take some massive braking effort to overcome.


The advice given on the News last night ( speaking about the Toyota
story) was to put car in neutral,brake normally ( no pumping of brake
pedal) and steer to a safe place THEN switch off the ignition ....not
to switch off before that as the power steering and braking ability
would be affected .

"Usenet Nutter" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:22:56 GMT, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5 seconds?
Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Darwinism in action.
ignition off is first thing (I believe this was a keyless vehicle that
required a 3 second press on the button to turn it off) If that cannot be
done then neutral (it doesn't matter if the engine blows) Braking
normally
on a vehicle with a stuck throttle at speed will cook the brakes very
quickly and they will then appear to not work (as in this case) but if it
is in neutral the brakes will slow the car normally, if the throttle is
wide
open and it is in gear (particularly an auto) then a panic stop might do
it,
but a several hundred horsepower engine trying to move you forward with
torque converter help would take some massive braking effort to overcome.


The advice given on the News last night ( speaking about the Toyota
story) was to put car in neutral,brake normally ( no pumping of brake
pedal) and steer to a safe place THEN switch off the ignition ....not
to switch off before that as the power steering and braking ability
would be affected .
exactly - modern petrol cars rev to the red line /maximum revs / (hits the
limiter) and no more - I doubt whether it would "blow up"

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:11:08 -0000, Rob Graham
wrote:

On 05/02/2010 09:05, Duncan Wood wrote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:29:22 -0000, GB wrote:

David Taylor wrote:
On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5
seconds? Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece


What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

An auto box without a neutral position on the selector?




& ~I've yet to see a keyless ignition you can't turn off, or a Toyota
that wouldn't stop if you stood on the footbrake in 5th. Thereagain
there are some people who are too daft to try turning off the ignition
or puttung the car into neutral.

If your accelerator is jammed down and you declutch or put the car into
neutral I guess the engine would blow up now that the load has been
taken off it. It seems to me that the only sensible course of action is
to switch it off.

Rob Graham

Not on any engine made in the last 15 years, all diesels, everything with
electronic fuel injection & quite a lot of cars before that have a rev
limiter.

--
Duncan Wood

In article op.u7ncurd1haghkf@lucy,
Duncan Wood wrote:
~I've yet to see a keyless ignition you can't turn off, or a Toyota
that wouldn't stop if you stood on the footbrake in 5th.

Indeed.

Don't know of any car which has such poor brakes. It would be positively
dangerous.

Check Autocar's figures for braking versus acceleration. You won't find
any car which can accelerate more quickly than it can brake - and that's
through the gears, not in fifth.

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