Duncan Wood wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:29:22 -0000, GB wrote:

David Taylor wrote:
On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5
seconds? Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

An auto box without a neutral position on the selector?




& ~I've yet to see a keyless ignition you can't turn off, or a Toyota that
wouldn't stop if you stood on the footbrake in 5th. Thereagain there are
some people who are too daft to try turning off the ignition or puttung
the car into neutral.

The Lexsus would not allow you to put gear in neutral when the throttle
is open. Apparently to protect the engine...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Rob Graham wrote:
If your accelerator is jammed down and you declutch or put the car into
neutral I guess the engine would blow up now that the load has been
taken off it. It seems to me that the only sensible course of action is
to switch it off.

Not on a modern car. They all have rev limiters built into the engine
management. So should survive running at max revs for long enough to find
a way of stopping it. Like the ignition switch. Diesels have always had
rev limiters. But called governors in older times.

It is possible that the Lexus has some engine protection system that would
not allow you to put it in neutral while the throttle is fully open;
neither would it allow you to brake as that would not make sense and the
brakes could overheat.

"johannes" wrote in message
. ..


GB wrote:

Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to figure
this
out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral? Especially an experienced
driver like a highway patrolman. 5 seconds? Well, surely not long enough
to
make a 911 call.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his family
with him?

--
Electric cars are very healthy - when the battery runs out you have to
walk
home.

Remember that story in the news ages ago. A lad in a BMW called 999 as the
accelerator was stuck, and the car was going over 100mph an accelerating.
The conversation was played in the news, I think. He was adviced not to
switch ignition key off as that would lock the steering wheel. The story
seemed quite implausible at the time and there was a lot of ng discussion.
The lad sounded too much like a dash for fame methinks. Possibly someone
here can still dig it up?

Yes, it was a dash for fame, as was the one with the trucker in the Scania.
But in either case, turning the ignition off wouldn't lock the steering,
removing the key would. The trucker later turned out to have some syndrome
or other.

Steve

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:31:48 -0000, johannes
wrote:



Duncan Wood wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:29:22 -0000, GB wrote:

David Taylor wrote:
On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5
seconds? Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

An auto box without a neutral position on the selector?




& ~I've yet to see a keyless ignition you can't turn off, or a Toyota
that
wouldn't stop if you stood on the footbrake in 5th. Thereagain there are
some people who are too daft to try turning off the ignition or puttung
the car into neutral.

The Lexsus would not allow you to put gear in neutral when the throttle
is open. Apparently to protect the engine...

Stand on the brake pedal, turn the engine off then. If you push the brake
pedal it will still stop. Try it.

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:45:55 -0000, johannes
wrote:



"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Rob Graham wrote:
If your accelerator is jammed down and you declutch or put the car
into
neutral I guess the engine would blow up now that the load has been
taken off it. It seems to me that the only sensible course of action
is
to switch it off.

Not on a modern car. They all have rev limiters built into the engine
management. So should survive running at max revs for long enough to
find
a way of stopping it. Like the ignition switch. Diesels have always had
rev limiters. But called governors in older times.

It is possible that the Lexus has some engine protection system that
would
not allow you to put it in neutral while the throttle is fully open;
neither would it allow you to brake as that would not make sense and the
brakes could overheat.

If it was wired up to compare the throttle & the brake then the brake
would win.

In article ,
johannes wrote:
It is possible that the Lexus has some engine protection system that
would not allow you to put it in neutral while the throttle is fully
open; neither would it allow you to brake as that would not make sense
and the brakes could overheat.

Then let's hope they don't have pedal jamming issues. They could be sued
for millions, if they make it impossible to slow the car.

--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Duncan Wood wrote:

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:31:48 -0000, johannes
wrote:



Duncan Wood wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:29:22 -0000, GB wrote:

David Taylor wrote:
On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5
seconds? Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take his
family with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

An auto box without a neutral position on the selector?




& ~I've yet to see a keyless ignition you can't turn off, or a Toyota
that
wouldn't stop if you stood on the footbrake in 5th. Thereagain there are
some people who are too daft to try turning off the ignition or puttung
the car into neutral.

The Lexsus would not allow you to put gear in neutral when the throttle
is open. Apparently to protect the engine...

Stand on the brake pedal, turn the engine off then. If you push the brake
pedal it will still stop. Try it.

I don't own a Lexus, but some have replied that the engine would override
the brakes since you're not supposed to brake at full throttle.

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:17:49 -0000, johannes
wrote:



Duncan Wood wrote:

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:31:48 -0000, johannes
wrote:



Duncan Wood wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:29:22 -0000, GB
wrote:

David Taylor wrote:
On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5
seconds? Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take
his
family with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

An auto box without a neutral position on the selector?




& ~I've yet to see a keyless ignition you can't turn off, or a Toyota
that
wouldn't stop if you stood on the footbrake in 5th. Thereagain there
are
some people who are too daft to try turning off the ignition or
puttung
the car into neutral.

The Lexsus would not allow you to put gear in neutral when the
throttle
is open. Apparently to protect the engine...

Stand on the brake pedal, turn the engine off then. If you push the
brake
pedal it will still stop. Try it.

I don't own a Lexus, but some have replied that the engine would override
the brakes since you're not supposed to brake at full throttle.

Some people make all sorts of odd claims.

In article ,
johannes wrote:

I don't own a Lexus, but some have replied that the engine would override
the brakes since you're not supposed to brake at full throttle.

That would be a nonsense. Since it will be drive by wire the brake should
cancel out the throttle as the safer option of the two.

--
*I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Duncan Wood wrote:

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:17:49 -0000, johannes
wrote:



Duncan Wood wrote:

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:31:48 -0000, johannes
wrote:



Duncan Wood wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:29:22 -0000, GB
wrote:

David Taylor wrote:
On 2010-02-04, GB wrote:
Say your accelerator jammed. Well, how long would it take you to
figure this out and depress the clutch/put it into neutral?
Especially an experienced driver like a highway patrolman. 5
seconds? Well, surely not long enough to make a 911 call.




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7012913.ece

What's actually going on here? Suicide, and he wanted to take
his
family with him?

Automatic, keyless ignition.

An auto box without a neutral position on the selector?




& ~I've yet to see a keyless ignition you can't turn off, or a Toyota
that
wouldn't stop if you stood on the footbrake in 5th. Thereagain there
are
some people who are too daft to try turning off the ignition or
puttung
the car into neutral.

The Lexsus would not allow you to put gear in neutral when the
throttle
is open. Apparently to protect the engine...

Stand on the brake pedal, turn the engine off then. If you push the
brake
pedal it will still stop. Try it.

I don't own a Lexus, but some have replied that the engine would override
the brakes since you're not supposed to brake at full throttle.

Some people make all sorts of odd claims.

But cars are becoming more like robots these days. I think Volvo has a system
which automatically brakes the car to keep distance from an object in front
of the car. That would have solved the problem. (unless there was a sign bug
in the computer code...