In article , Andy Cap
says...


in the second month we went halves on a
rear shock absorber - during which time he lent me a car.

You're supposed to replace dampers, springs and brakes in pairs....

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"Conor" wrote in message
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In article , Andy Cap
says...


in the second month we went halves on a
rear shock absorber - during which time he lent me a car.

You're supposed to replace dampers, springs and brakes in pairs....

he did say he went halves on a shocker, maybe he paid for one the dealer the
other?

On 27 Apr 2009 11:14:56 GMT, Adrian wrote:

Sorry, he replaced ONE damper only?

VERY, very, very bad practice indeed.

He did. and I can't argue with you, only to say I very much doubt it will make
the slightest difference. I've *never* previously changed rear shocks on the
several cars I have owned to over 100,000 miles. This one hasn't done 50,000 yet
and the changed shocker was clearly leaking and performing *very* badly.
As I say though, I accept you and Conor are right and had it been at the front
I would have insisted as a matter of course. I'd still use the guy again though,
because I believe had I requested it, he wouldn't have hesitated to agree but
admittedly he took the opportunity to save a few quid.

I'll remember for next time ! ;-)

"Mark" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Just bought a Peugeot 306 TD. After barely a week I had to replace all
the glow plugs through slow starting/non-starting. Is there a way the
dealer could have disguised this for a few days? He is at fault with
three electrical issues, so now I am wondering whether I can chase him
for the plugs as well?

I'm just a normal punter and have never run a business or worked selling
but can't understand why so many these days seems to think a seller has
all the responsibilty. When buying something second hand its up to you to
satisfy yourself its up to the job. If you don't have the skills to make
the judgement then take someone with you who does know. If I buy something
from ebay or a second hand car, its up to me to make sure its ok and if it
isn't then its my fault, no one else. Its not retail and you can't take it
back and get a refund like you can at M&S.

The key word here is "dealer". It is retail.

There was a time when a dealer would be able to legitimately sell their
cheaper cars off as "Sold as seen, trade sale" etc. with no come back. Those
days are long gone.

"Doki" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

I'm just a normal punter and have never run a business or worked
selling but can't understand why so many these days seems to think a
seller has all the responsibilty. When buying something second hand its
up to you to satisfy yourself its up to the job. If you don't have the
skills to make the judgement then take someone with you who does know.
If I buy something from ebay or a second hand car, its up to me to make
sure its ok and if it isn't then its my fault, no one else. Its not
retail and you can't take it back and get a refund like you can at M&S.

The key word here is "dealer". It is retail.

There was a time when a dealer would be able to legitimately sell their
cheaper cars off as "Sold as seen, trade sale" etc. with no come back.
Those days are long gone.

Yes - and no.

Sale of Goods act applies, which holds up a requirement for "merchantable
quality" and "fit for purpose" - but is the standard required the same
for a 10yo £1000 car the same as for a new car? No. Not even close. The
standard required is flexible, based on age, price, sale terms etc.

There's no way that any court would hold that there was any particular
expectation of reliability/longevity for a cosmetically ratty £250
****ter flogged off a bomb-site with "sold as seen" on the invoice.

"Adrian" wrote in message
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"Doki" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

I'm just a normal punter and have never run a business or worked
selling but can't understand why so many these days seems to think a
seller has all the responsibilty. When buying something second hand its
up to you to satisfy yourself its up to the job. If you don't have the
skills to make the judgement then take someone with you who does know.
If I buy something from ebay or a second hand car, its up to me to make
sure its ok and if it isn't then its my fault, no one else. Its not
retail and you can't take it back and get a refund like you can at M&S.

The key word here is "dealer". It is retail.

There was a time when a dealer would be able to legitimately sell their
cheaper cars off as "Sold as seen, trade sale" etc. with no come back.
Those days are long gone.

Yes - and no.

Sale of Goods act applies, which holds up a requirement for "merchantable
quality" and "fit for purpose" - but is the standard required the same
for a 10yo £1000 car the same as for a new car? No. Not even close. The
standard required is flexible, based on age, price, sale terms etc.

No, but basic safety problems are covered, IMO.

There's no way that any court would hold that there was any particular
expectation of reliability/longevity for a cosmetically ratty £250
****ter flogged off a bomb-site with "sold as seen" on the invoice.

But when do you see traders selling anything at that kind of price any more?
They've all twigged it's far too much hassle. £800-£1000 is the cheapest
stuff the very ropey dealers have around here.

"Doki" wrote in message
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"Adrian" wrote in message
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"Doki" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

I'm just a normal punter and have never run a business or worked
selling but can't understand why so many these days seems to think a
seller has all the responsibilty. When buying something second hand its
up to you to satisfy yourself its up to the job. If you don't have the
skills to make the judgement then take someone with you who does know.
If I buy something from ebay or a second hand car, its up to me to make
sure its ok and if it isn't then its my fault, no one else. Its not
retail and you can't take it back and get a refund like you can at M&S.

The key word here is "dealer". It is retail.

There was a time when a dealer would be able to legitimately sell their
cheaper cars off as "Sold as seen, trade sale" etc. with no come back.
Those days are long gone.

Yes - and no.

Sale of Goods act applies, which holds up a requirement for "merchantable
quality" and "fit for purpose" - but is the standard required the same
for a 10yo £1000 car the same as for a new car? No. Not even close. The
standard required is flexible, based on age, price, sale terms etc.

No, but basic safety problems are covered, IMO.

There's no way that any court would hold that there was any particular
expectation of reliability/longevity for a cosmetically ratty £250
****ter flogged off a bomb-site with "sold as seen" on the invoice.

But when do you see traders selling anything at that kind of price any
more? They've all twigged it's far too much hassle. £800-£1000 is the
cheapest stuff the very ropey dealers have around here.

Just like to add:- I had an old L reg 1993 306 for 7 years - never had any
problems starting - maybe I was lucky not to have to change the glow plugs,
but I beleive there is a relay/timer that actually limits the time the
G/Plugs are on for, if this is faulty the plugs can burn out as they will be
burning when not needed.

SB