"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very cool. Temp
gauge always gets about a third up the scale and stays constant, but last
night it was fluctuating between the edge of cold and only a tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the temperature gauge
sender that's giving a false reading. As regarding the heater, a mate of
mine had a F reg pinto sierra and the heater on that was crap, he tried
everything to sort it including flushing the matrix with fernox and it still
wouldn't demist the screen in winter. He's now got an escort and you could
cook on the heater of that.
Trevor Smith

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:34:40 +0100, Trevor Smith wrote:

"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very cool.
Temp gauge always gets about a third up the scale and stays constant,
but last night it was fluctuating between the edge of cold and only a
tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the temperature gauge
sender that's giving a false reading. As regarding the heater, a mate of
mine had a F reg pinto sierra and the heater on that was crap, he tried
everything to sort it including flushing the matrix with fernox and it
still wouldn't demist the screen in winter. He's now got an escort and
you could cook on the heater of that.
Trevor Smith

It definitely had a fault; I had two Sierras, and they both had very
powerful heaters. Far better than my Focus in fact.

Chris

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Trevor Smith wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very cool.
Temp gauge always gets about a third up the scale and stays
constant, but last night it was fluctuating between the edge of cold
and only a tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the temperature
gauge sender that's giving a false reading. As regarding the heater,
a mate of mine had a F reg pinto sierra and the heater on that was
crap, he tried everything to sort it including flushing the matrix
with fernox and it still wouldn't demist the screen in winter. He's
now got an escort and you could cook on the heater of that.
Trevor Smith

flushing doesn't work when they are gummed up, the liquid physically can
never get to the end of all the blockages, it just goes round one of the
open routes and cleans that. the escort and sierra rad are very similar
size and shape so performance is close to identical, both are very good
heaters unless blocked up.

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Trevor Smith wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very cool.
Temp gauge always gets about a third up the scale and stays
constant, but last night it was fluctuating between the edge of cold
and only a tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the temperature
gauge sender that's giving a false reading. As regarding the heater,
a mate of mine had a F reg pinto sierra and the heater on that was
crap, he tried everything to sort it including flushing the matrix
with fernox and it still wouldn't demist the screen in winter. He's
now got an escort and you could cook on the heater of that.
Trevor Smith

flushing doesn't work when they are gummed up, the liquid physically can
never get to the end of all the blockages, it just goes round one of the
open routes and cleans that. the escort and sierra rad are very similar
size and shape so performance is close to identical, both are very good
heaters unless blocked up.

I'm not bothered about the heater I never get cold in a car and prefer
driving on the cold side and it works well enough to demist. Mainly curious
(and it is only curiosity) about the varying water level. As I said, it
drains and fills very quickly. Must be about two pints up and down. Cycles
over a minute, but the drain or fill is very fast (about 5 seconds)

Mark

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:01:34 +0100, Mark wrote:

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Trevor Smith wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very cool.
Temp gauge always gets about a third up the scale and stays constant,
but last night it was fluctuating between the edge of cold and only a
tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the temperature
gauge sender that's giving a false reading. As regarding the heater, a
mate of mine had a F reg pinto sierra and the heater on that was crap,
he tried everything to sort it including flushing the matrix with
fernox and it still wouldn't demist the screen in winter. He's now got
an escort and you could cook on the heater of that. Trevor Smith

flushing doesn't work when they are gummed up, the liquid physically
can never get to the end of all the blockages, it just goes round one
of the open routes and cleans that. the escort and sierra rad are very
similar size and shape so performance is close to identical, both are
very good heaters unless blocked up.

I'm not bothered about the heater I never get cold in a car and prefer
driving on the cold side and it works well enough to demist. Mainly
curious (and it is only curiosity) about the varying water level. As I
said, it drains and fills very quickly. Must be about two pints up and
down. Cycles over a minute, but the drain or fill is very fast (about 5
seconds)

Mark

I've seen this happen when there is an airlock in the system. Usually, if
you let it warm up to fan cut-in temp with the expansion tank cap off, it
will eventually push the air out.

Of course, with a non-working t'stat, it's going to take forever to get
that hot!

Chris

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Remove prejudice to reply.

"Chris Whelan" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:01:34 +0100, Mark wrote:

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Trevor Smith wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very cool.
Temp gauge always gets about a third up the scale and stays constant,
but last night it was fluctuating between the edge of cold and only a
tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the temperature
gauge sender that's giving a false reading. As regarding the heater, a
mate of mine had a F reg pinto sierra and the heater on that was crap,
he tried everything to sort it including flushing the matrix with
fernox and it still wouldn't demist the screen in winter. He's now got
an escort and you could cook on the heater of that. Trevor Smith

flushing doesn't work when they are gummed up, the liquid physically
can never get to the end of all the blockages, it just goes round one
of the open routes and cleans that. the escort and sierra rad are very
similar size and shape so performance is close to identical, both are
very good heaters unless blocked up.

I'm not bothered about the heater I never get cold in a car and prefer
driving on the cold side and it works well enough to demist. Mainly
curious (and it is only curiosity) about the varying water level. As I
said, it drains and fills very quickly. Must be about two pints up and
down. Cycles over a minute, but the drain or fill is very fast (about 5
seconds)

Mark

I've seen this happen when there is an airlock in the system. Usually, if
you let it warm up to fan cut-in temp with the expansion tank cap off, it
will eventually push the air out.

Of course, with a non-working t'stat, it's going to take forever to get
that hot!

It's not randomly going up and down like an air lock. You could set your
watch by it. Did get warm enough yesterday. I'd say stat is unreliable more
than permanently open. Or may have been because it was a very warm afternoon
and I'd been holding it in 2nd at 30 for ten minutes.

Anyway, its not a problem, just wondered if anyone had actual experience of
seeing this on a 1.8 CVH.

Mark

Mark wrote:
"Chris Whelan" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:01:34 +0100, Mark wrote:

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Trevor Smith wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very
cool. Temp gauge always gets about a third up the scale and
stays constant, but last night it was fluctuating between the
edge of cold and only a tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the temperature
gauge sender that's giving a false reading. As regarding the
heater, a mate of mine had a F reg pinto sierra and the heater on
that was crap, he tried everything to sort it including flushing
the matrix with fernox and it still wouldn't demist the screen in
winter. He's now got an escort and you could cook on the heater
of that. Trevor Smith

flushing doesn't work when they are gummed up, the liquid
physically can never get to the end of all the blockages, it just
goes round one of the open routes and cleans that. the escort and
sierra rad are very similar size and shape so performance is close
to identical, both are very good heaters unless blocked up.

I'm not bothered about the heater I never get cold in a car and
prefer driving on the cold side and it works well enough to demist.
Mainly curious (and it is only curiosity) about the varying water
level. As I said, it drains and fills very quickly. Must be about
two pints up and down. Cycles over a minute, but the drain or fill
is very fast (about 5 seconds)

Mark

I've seen this happen when there is an airlock in the system.
Usually, if you let it warm up to fan cut-in temp with the expansion
tank cap off, it will eventually push the air out.

Of course, with a non-working t'stat, it's going to take forever to
get that hot!

It's not randomly going up and down like an air lock. You could set
your watch by it. Did get warm enough yesterday. I'd say stat is
unreliable more than permanently open. Or may have been because it
was a very warm afternoon and I'd been holding it in 2nd at 30 for
ten minutes.
Anyway, its not a problem, just wondered if anyone had actual
experience of seeing this on a 1.8 CVH.

Mark

that is symptomatic of an air lock, but if it continues indefinitely then it
would imply that air getting in, often through a head gasket leak. first
check the little breather hose that goes to the top of the expansion bottle,
take it off, with the engine running hot water should flow out of it
steadily (hold it over the open top of the bottle) if none comes out then
check where it goes onto the engine for a blockage. If it comes out ok then
check that the passage way in the top of the bottle is clear. Normally this
pipe will let out any air from the system rather than it be forced up
through the larger pipe to the bottom of the expansion tank.

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Mark wrote:
"Chris Whelan" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:01:34 +0100, Mark wrote:

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Trevor Smith wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very
cool. Temp gauge always gets about a third up the scale and
stays constant, but last night it was fluctuating between the
edge of cold and only a tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the temperature
gauge sender that's giving a false reading. As regarding the
heater, a mate of mine had a F reg pinto sierra and the heater on
that was crap, he tried everything to sort it including flushing
the matrix with fernox and it still wouldn't demist the screen in
winter. He's now got an escort and you could cook on the heater
of that. Trevor Smith

flushing doesn't work when they are gummed up, the liquid
physically can never get to the end of all the blockages, it just
goes round one of the open routes and cleans that. the escort and
sierra rad are very similar size and shape so performance is close
to identical, both are very good heaters unless blocked up.

I'm not bothered about the heater I never get cold in a car and
prefer driving on the cold side and it works well enough to demist.
Mainly curious (and it is only curiosity) about the varying water
level. As I said, it drains and fills very quickly. Must be about
two pints up and down. Cycles over a minute, but the drain or fill
is very fast (about 5 seconds)

Mark

I've seen this happen when there is an airlock in the system.
Usually, if you let it warm up to fan cut-in temp with the expansion
tank cap off, it will eventually push the air out.

Of course, with a non-working t'stat, it's going to take forever to
get that hot!

It's not randomly going up and down like an air lock. You could set
your watch by it. Did get warm enough yesterday. I'd say stat is
unreliable more than permanently open. Or may have been because it
was a very warm afternoon and I'd been holding it in 2nd at 30 for
ten minutes.
Anyway, its not a problem, just wondered if anyone had actual
experience of seeing this on a 1.8 CVH.

Mark

that is symptomatic of an air lock, but if it continues indefinitely then
it would imply that air getting in, often through a head gasket leak.
first check the little breather hose that goes to the top of the expansion
bottle, take it off, with the engine running hot water should flow out of
it steadily (hold it over the open top of the bottle) if none comes out
then check where it goes onto the engine for a blockage. If it comes out
ok then check that the passage way in the top of the bottle is clear.
Normally this pipe will let out any air from the system rather than it be
forced up through the larger pipe to the bottom of the expansion tank.

Yep all flowing well out that pipe. No need to remove it as can see it
flowing out with the expansion tank cap off.

I not investigating this or trying to fix it as its done it for the last 3
years and car works well enough, just curious if anyone else had it.

Mark

Mark wrote:
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Mark wrote:
"Chris Whelan" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:01:34 +0100, Mark wrote:

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Trevor Smith wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very
cool. Temp gauge always gets about a third up the scale and
stays constant, but last night it was fluctuating between the
edge of cold and only a tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the
temperature gauge sender that's giving a false reading. As
regarding the heater, a mate of mine had a F reg pinto sierra
and the heater on that was crap, he tried everything to sort it
including flushing the matrix with fernox and it still wouldn't
demist the screen in winter. He's now got an escort and you
could cook on the heater of that. Trevor Smith

flushing doesn't work when they are gummed up, the liquid
physically can never get to the end of all the blockages, it just
goes round one of the open routes and cleans that. the escort
and sierra rad are very similar size and shape so performance is
close to identical, both are very good heaters unless blocked up.

I'm not bothered about the heater I never get cold in a car and
prefer driving on the cold side and it works well enough to
demist. Mainly curious (and it is only curiosity) about the
varying water level. As I said, it drains and fills very quickly.
Must be about two pints up and down. Cycles over a minute, but
the drain or fill is very fast (about 5 seconds)

Mark

I've seen this happen when there is an airlock in the system.
Usually, if you let it warm up to fan cut-in temp with the
expansion tank cap off, it will eventually push the air out.

Of course, with a non-working t'stat, it's going to take forever to
get that hot!

It's not randomly going up and down like an air lock. You could set
your watch by it. Did get warm enough yesterday. I'd say stat is
unreliable more than permanently open. Or may have been because it
was a very warm afternoon and I'd been holding it in 2nd at 30 for
ten minutes.
Anyway, its not a problem, just wondered if anyone had actual
experience of seeing this on a 1.8 CVH.

Mark

that is symptomatic of an air lock, but if it continues indefinitely
then it would imply that air getting in, often through a head gasket
leak. first check the little breather hose that goes to the top of
the expansion bottle, take it off, with the engine running hot water
should flow out of it steadily (hold it over the open top of the
bottle) if none comes out then check where it goes onto the engine
for a blockage. If it comes out ok then check that the passage way
in the top of the bottle is clear. Normally this pipe will let out
any air from the system rather than it be forced up through the
larger pipe to the bottom of the expansion tank.

Yep all flowing well out that pipe. No need to remove it as can see it
flowing out with the expansion tank cap off.

I not investigating this or trying to fix it as its done it for the
last 3 years and car works well enough, just curious if anyone else
had it.
Mark

Sussed it, it is getting to near boiling point, water rises, thermostat
opens, cool comes in and level drops. With a new stat and good antifreeze
in it will probably stay near enough level.

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Mark wrote:
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Mark wrote:
"Chris Whelan" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:01:34 +0100, Mark wrote:

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Trevor Smith wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
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On the motorway last night and noticed my Sierra running very
cool. Temp gauge always gets about a third up the scale and
stays constant, but last night it was fluctuating between the
edge of cold and only a tad above.

If the thermostat change doesn't work it could be the
temperature gauge sender that's giving a false reading. As
regarding the heater, a mate of mine had a F reg pinto sierra
and the heater on that was crap, he tried everything to sort it
including flushing the matrix with fernox and it still wouldn't
demist the screen in winter. He's now got an escort and you
could cook on the heater of that. Trevor Smith

flushing doesn't work when they are gummed up, the liquid
physically can never get to the end of all the blockages, it just
goes round one of the open routes and cleans that. the escort
and sierra rad are very similar size and shape so performance is
close to identical, both are very good heaters unless blocked up.

I'm not bothered about the heater I never get cold in a car and
prefer driving on the cold side and it works well enough to
demist. Mainly curious (and it is only curiosity) about the
varying water level. As I said, it drains and fills very quickly.
Must be about two pints up and down. Cycles over a minute, but
the drain or fill is very fast (about 5 seconds)

Mark

I've seen this happen when there is an airlock in the system.
Usually, if you let it warm up to fan cut-in temp with the
expansion tank cap off, it will eventually push the air out.

Of course, with a non-working t'stat, it's going to take forever to
get that hot!

It's not randomly going up and down like an air lock. You could set
your watch by it. Did get warm enough yesterday. I'd say stat is
unreliable more than permanently open. Or may have been because it
was a very warm afternoon and I'd been holding it in 2nd at 30 for
ten minutes.
Anyway, its not a problem, just wondered if anyone had actual
experience of seeing this on a 1.8 CVH.

Mark

that is symptomatic of an air lock, but if it continues indefinitely
then it would imply that air getting in, often through a head gasket
leak. first check the little breather hose that goes to the top of
the expansion bottle, take it off, with the engine running hot water
should flow out of it steadily (hold it over the open top of the
bottle) if none comes out then check where it goes onto the engine
for a blockage. If it comes out ok then check that the passage way
in the top of the bottle is clear. Normally this pipe will let out
any air from the system rather than it be forced up through the
larger pipe to the bottom of the expansion tank.

Yep all flowing well out that pipe. No need to remove it as can see it
flowing out with the expansion tank cap off.

I not investigating this or trying to fix it as its done it for the
last 3 years and car works well enough, just curious if anyone else
had it.
Mark

Sussed it, it is getting to near boiling point, water rises, thermostat
opens, cool comes in and level drops. With a new stat and good antifreeze
in it will probably stay near enough level.

Good therory. Could well be. Only snag is that its been doing it for a few
years, but only been running cold recently. Could well be the thermostat on
way out for a few years perhaps? I only do 3000 miles a year in that car.
Certainly sounds a good possibility to me.

Cheers
Mark