Graham wrote:
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"Graham" wrote in message
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I've been given the task of changing the air filter on my Mum's Ka
(1300cc Kent type engine). As she lives 100 miles away, I am
curious if its a quick job to change and would appreciate a heads
up from those that know. Hopefully its like my Sierra which just
has four posi bolts and spring clips, but hey, the Ka is a modern
car and I am not confident it will be that simple.

Regards
Graham

It would be cheaper for her to get it done in the local Ford
dealership! The cost of driving 100 miles x2
and then spending about £4/5 on a filter is a bit mad, unless you're
going to see her anyway.
Why would she suddenly want the air filter changed? Unless it's so
old it's black and clogged up it will make no difference.

********


It would be better doing a
full service, oil/filter change, new plugs, fuel filter, new brake
fluid etc. Don't be tempted to buy a crappy mesh type with oil
soaked cotton bit, they ruin engines - especially ones with a turbo
(not the KA!) as they do NOT filter sufficiently to prevent damage
and the surface area is a lot smaller.

********

A simple paper one will outperform anything else when it comes to
actual filtration.

********

No engine uses the amount of air a paper filter can pass anyway,
despite all the silly claims.
I think the filter for the KA is in a box, it might be similar
depending on the model of Sierra you have.
Take some of the torx type drivers in case it uses them.

To the OP, it should cost you about a fiver and take you less than 10
mins.

To Rob, I repeat my earlier post

Why don't you either

a) Post some useful, non-condescending advice

or

b) **** off


Mike P

Thanks Mike. Glad its still a simple one. I hear so many horror
stories of modern cars needing half the front suspension removed :-)
to replace a headlight bulb or something.

Regards
Graham

wait till you need to change a headlamp bulb on the KA, one side can just be
done, the other is take the wheel off and go in under the arch !

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Graham wrote:
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"Rob" wrote in message
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"Graham" wrote in message
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I've been given the task of changing the air filter on my Mum's Ka
(1300cc Kent type engine). As she lives 100 miles away, I am
curious if its a quick job to change and would appreciate a heads
up from those that know. Hopefully its like my Sierra which just
has four posi bolts and spring clips, but hey, the Ka is a modern
car and I am not confident it will be that simple.

Regards
Graham

It would be cheaper for her to get it done in the local Ford
dealership! The cost of driving 100 miles x2
and then spending about £4/5 on a filter is a bit mad, unless you're
going to see her anyway.
Why would she suddenly want the air filter changed? Unless it's so
old it's black and clogged up it will make no difference.

********


It would be better doing a
full service, oil/filter change, new plugs, fuel filter, new brake
fluid etc. Don't be tempted to buy a crappy mesh type with oil
soaked cotton bit, they ruin engines - especially ones with a turbo
(not the KA!) as they do NOT filter sufficiently to prevent damage
and the surface area is a lot smaller.

********

A simple paper one will outperform anything else when it comes to
actual filtration.

********

No engine uses the amount of air a paper filter can pass anyway,
despite all the silly claims.
I think the filter for the KA is in a box, it might be similar
depending on the model of Sierra you have.
Take some of the torx type drivers in case it uses them.

To the OP, it should cost you about a fiver and take you less than 10
mins.

To Rob, I repeat my earlier post

Why don't you either

a) Post some useful, non-condescending advice

or

b) **** off


Mike P

Thanks Mike. Glad its still a simple one. I hear so many horror
stories of modern cars needing half the front suspension removed :-)
to replace a headlight bulb or something.

Regards
Graham

wait till you need to change a headlamp bulb on the KA, one side can just
be done, the other is take the wheel off and go in under the arch !

Its been done about three time since new, so not to your yearly
requirements, however, I am tempted to do it again this summer as has been 2
years and 2500 miles since last change and looking light brown rather than
its usual clear honey colour. Any words of wisdom about doing that? Is the
filter accessible. I'll use the trolley jack and axle stands to get to the
drain plug.

Regards
Graham

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Graham wrote:
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"Duncan Wood" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 May 2008 10:51:14 +0100, Graham
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"Rob" wrote in message
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"Graham" wrote in message
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I've been given the task of changing the air filter on my Mum's
Ka (1300cc Kent type engine). As she lives 100 miles away, I am
curious if
its a quick job to change and would appreciate a heads up from
those that
know. Hopefully its like my Sierra which just has four posi
bolts and spring clips, but hey, the Ka is a modern car and I am
not confident it
will be that simple.

Regards
Graham

It would be cheaper for her to get it done in the local Ford
dealership!
The cost of driving 100 miles x2
and then spending about £4/5 on a filter is a bit mad, unless
you're going
to see her anyway.
Why would she suddenly want the air filter changed? Unless it's
so old it's black and clogged up it will make no difference. It
would be better
doing a full service, oil/filter change, new plugs, fuel filter,
new brake
fluid etc. Don't be tempted to buy a crappy mesh type with oil
soaked cotton bit, they ruin engines - especially ones with a
turbo (not the KA!)
as they do NOT filter sufficiently to prevent damage and the
surface area
is a lot smaller. A simple paper one will outperform anything
else when
it comes to actual filtration. No engine uses the amount of air a
paper
filter can pass anyway, despite all the silly claims.
I think the filter for the KA is in a box, it might be similar
depending
on the model of Sierra you have.
Take some of the torx type drivers in case it uses them.

Right, Its going to be a standard Ford or perhaps Bosch filter. As
close to
what is already on there as possible. The reasons why I am
travelling to do
it are my own business (why is there always so much critical second
guessing
of people's motives on this group?) but for the record I wouldn't
dream of
putting her 2000 X plate, garaged 9800 mile Ka "supermarket cart"
into a dealer or any mechanic. I am not doing the trip especially
to do the filter,
I just don't want it to get in the way of my social and drinking
time while
in London for a few days and was just mildly curious if its a
simple straight forward job or not. Seems you don't know that
answer as not a word
about the practicalities of actually changing it. It doesn't need a
service,
but as I recently changed the filter on my Sierra and its made
such an improvement, I though hey, it might help my Mum's Ka a tad
and who knows might save a ml of fuel here and there. Oil and
filter has been changed twice in that time. It doesn't need all
that other tosh like plugs and fuel
filter. God, he is going on about a turbo too. I think we know
what kid of
market you deal in (boy racing).

Bye, and thank for the zero advise.

Graham




Well if you take a couple of 6" long screwdrivers with you it's
easy. http://www.dervman.com/hotair_files/image021.jpg
But if it needs a new air filter after 10000m then there's
something else wrong.

Might be a typo and be 98000 miles :-) Otherwise, if it's 8 years
old, a new filter will do it more good than harm anyway

Mike P

Not a typo. 9800 (Nine Thousand, eight hundred miles). And as you
correctly said, it will not do any harm. Lovely Black Ka with aircon.
Not my cuppa, but great for the muver.

Regards
Graham

change the oil every year regardless of mileage.

And she exercises the a/c once a month and has had it re-gassed at least
once has she?

tim.

"Mike P" wrote in message
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"Duncan Wood" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 May 2008 10:51:14 +0100, Graham
wrote:


"Rob" wrote in message
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"Graham" wrote in message
news:gK2dnTEvdNKp-L7VnZ2dnUVZ8vGdnZ2d@metronet...
I've been given the task of changing the air filter on my Mum's Ka
(1300cc Kent type engine). As she lives 100 miles away, I am curious
if
its a quick job to change and would appreciate a heads up from those
that
know. Hopefully its like my Sierra which just has four posi bolts and
spring clips, but hey, the Ka is a modern car and I am not confident
it
will be that simple.

Regards
Graham

It would be cheaper for her to get it done in the local Ford
dealership!
The cost of driving 100 miles x2
and then spending about £4/5 on a filter is a bit mad, unless you're
going
to see her anyway.
Why would she suddenly want the air filter changed? Unless it's so old
it's black and clogged up it will make no difference. It would be
better
doing a full service, oil/filter change, new plugs, fuel filter, new
brake
fluid etc. Don't be tempted to buy a crappy mesh type with oil soaked
cotton bit, they ruin engines - especially ones with a turbo (not the
KA!)
as they do NOT filter sufficiently to prevent damage and the surface
area
is a lot smaller. A simple paper one will outperform anything else
when
it comes to actual filtration. No engine uses the amount of air a
paper
filter can pass anyway, despite all the silly claims.
I think the filter for the KA is in a box, it might be similar
depending
on the model of Sierra you have.
Take some of the torx type drivers in case it uses them.

Right, Its going to be a standard Ford or perhaps Bosch filter. As close
to
what is already on there as possible. The reasons why I am travelling to
do
it are my own business (why is there always so much critical second
guessing
of people's motives on this group?) but for the record I wouldn't dream
of
putting her 2000 X plate, garaged 9800 mile Ka "supermarket cart" into a
dealer or any mechanic. I am not doing the trip especially to do the
filter,
I just don't want it to get in the way of my social and drinking time
while
in London for a few days and was just mildly curious if its a simple
straight forward job or not. Seems you don't know that answer as not a
word
about the practicalities of actually changing it. It doesn't need a
service,
but as I recently changed the filter on my Sierra and its made such an
improvement, I though hey, it might help my Mum's Ka a tad and who knows
might save a ml of fuel here and there. Oil and filter has been changed
twice in that time. It doesn't need all that other tosh like plugs and
fuel
filter. God, he is going on about a turbo too. I think we know what kid
of
market you deal in (boy racing).

Bye, and thank for the zero advise.

Graham




Well if you take a couple of 6" long screwdrivers with you it's easy.
http://www.dervman.com/hotair_files/image021.jpg
But if it needs a new air filter after 10000m then there's something else
wrong.

Might be a typo and be 98000 miles :-) Otherwise, if it's 8 years old, a
new filter will do it more good than harm anyway

Mike P

Not a typo. 9800 (Nine Thousand, eight hundred miles). And as you correctly
said, it will not do any harm. Lovely Black Ka with aircon. Not my cuppa,
but great for the muver.

Regards
Graham

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"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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Graham wrote:
"Mike P" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
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"Graham" wrote in message
news:gK2dnTEvdNKp-L7VnZ2dnUVZ8vGdnZ2d@metronet...
I've been given the task of changing the air filter on my Mum's Ka
(1300cc Kent type engine). As she lives 100 miles away, I am
curious if its a quick job to change and would appreciate a heads
up from those that know. Hopefully its like my Sierra which just
has four posi bolts and spring clips, but hey, the Ka is a modern
car and I am not confident it will be that simple.

Regards
Graham

It would be cheaper for her to get it done in the local Ford
dealership! The cost of driving 100 miles x2
and then spending about £4/5 on a filter is a bit mad, unless you're
going to see her anyway.
Why would she suddenly want the air filter changed? Unless it's so
old it's black and clogged up it will make no difference.

********


It would be better doing a
full service, oil/filter change, new plugs, fuel filter, new brake
fluid etc. Don't be tempted to buy a crappy mesh type with oil
soaked cotton bit, they ruin engines - especially ones with a turbo
(not the KA!) as they do NOT filter sufficiently to prevent damage
and the surface area is a lot smaller.

********

A simple paper one will outperform anything else when it comes to
actual filtration.

********

No engine uses the amount of air a paper filter can pass anyway,
despite all the silly claims.
I think the filter for the KA is in a box, it might be similar
depending on the model of Sierra you have.
Take some of the torx type drivers in case it uses them.

To the OP, it should cost you about a fiver and take you less than 10
mins.

To Rob, I repeat my earlier post

Why don't you either

a) Post some useful, non-condescending advice

or

b) **** off


Mike P

Thanks Mike. Glad its still a simple one. I hear so many horror
stories of modern cars needing half the front suspension removed :-)
to replace a headlight bulb or something.

Regards
Graham

wait till you need to change a headlamp bulb on the KA, one side can just
be done, the other is take the wheel off and go in under the arch !

Its been done about three time since new, so not to your yearly
requirements, however, I am tempted to do it again this summer as has been
2 years and 2500 miles since last change and looking light brown rather
than its usual clear honey colour. Any words of wisdom about doing that?
Is the filter accessible. I'll use the trolley jack and axle stands to get
to the drain plug.

Not very no, and it ****es all down your arm and drips off the driveshaft
when you get it off.

Tim..

"Mike P" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
...

"Graham" wrote in message
news:gK2dnTEvdNKp-L7VnZ2dnUVZ8vGdnZ2d@metronet...
I've been given the task of changing the air filter on my Mum's Ka
(1300cc Kent type engine). As she lives 100 miles away, I am curious if
its a quick job to change and would appreciate a heads up from those
that know. Hopefully its like my Sierra which just has four posi bolts
and spring clips, but hey, the Ka is a modern car and I am not confident
it will be that simple.

Regards
Graham

It would be cheaper for her to get it done in the local Ford dealership!
The cost of driving 100 miles x2
and then spending about £4/5 on a filter is a bit mad, unless you're
going to see her anyway.
Why would she suddenly want the air filter changed? Unless it's so old
it's black and clogged up it will make no difference.

********


It would be better doing a
full service, oil/filter change, new plugs, fuel filter, new brake fluid
etc. Don't be tempted to buy a crappy mesh type with oil soaked cotton
bit, they ruin engines - especially ones with a turbo (not the KA!) as
they do NOT filter sufficiently to prevent damage and the surface area is
a lot smaller.

********

A simple paper one will outperform anything else when it comes to actual
filtration.

********

No engine uses the amount of air a paper filter can pass anyway, despite
all the silly claims.
I think the filter for the KA is in a box, it might be similar depending
on the model of Sierra you have.
Take some of the torx type drivers in case it uses them.

To the OP, it should cost you about a fiver and take you less than 10
mins.

To Rob, I repeat my earlier post

Why don't you either

a) Post some useful, non-condescending advice

or

b) **** off


Mike P

Thanks Mike. Glad its still a simple one. I hear so many horror stories of
modern cars needing half the front suspension removed :-) to replace a
headlight bulb or something.

Regards
Graham

Its been done about three time since new, so not to your yearly
requirements, however, I am tempted to do it again this summer as has
been 2 years and 2500 miles since last change and looking light brown
rather than its usual clear honey colour. Any words of wisdom about
doing that? Is the filter accessible. I'll use the trolley jack and
axle stands to get to the drain plug.

Regards
Graham

axle stands or ramps will be fine, if you can (I can't remember as I do very
few KA) undo the filter from under the bonnet rather than from underneath
and you will get less messy. Use a six point spanner or socket as people
often round the sump plug off, any car shop will sell you a new plug.

"Tim.." wrote in message
...


Well if you take a couple of 6" long screwdrivers with you it's
easy. http://www.dervman.com/hotair_files/image021.jpg
But if it needs a new air filter after 10000m then there's
something else wrong.

Might be a typo and be 98000 miles :-) Otherwise, if it's 8 years
old, a new filter will do it more good than harm anyway

Mike P

Not a typo. 9800 (Nine Thousand, eight hundred miles). And as you
correctly said, it will not do any harm. Lovely Black Ka with aircon.
Not my cuppa, but great for the muver.

Regards
Graham

change the oil every year regardless of mileage.

And she exercises the a/c once a month and has had it re-gassed at least
once has she?

And your point is?

FYI, she uses it for demisting and in even the slightest hint of warmth. If
you are banging on about using it to stop seals failing etc, then I can
assure you its icy baby and as good as new. Why did you even bring this up.
Way OT.

Out of interest why does car aircon get less cold without use. My home
aircon has never had any problems and not used for most of the year. Is it
just an urban myth because some cars suffer or is it all cars. Certain does
not apply to the Ka in question.

Graham

"Tim.." wrote in message
...

Thanks Mike. Glad its still a simple one. I hear so many horror
stories of modern cars needing half the front suspension removed :-)
to replace a headlight bulb or something.

Regards
Graham

wait till you need to change a headlamp bulb on the KA, one side can
just be done, the other is take the wheel off and go in under the arch !

Its been done about three time since new, so not to your yearly
requirements, however, I am tempted to do it again this summer as has
been 2 years and 2500 miles since last change and looking light brown
rather than its usual clear honey colour. Any words of wisdom about doing
that? Is the filter accessible. I'll use the trolley jack and axle stands
to get to the drain plug.

Not very no, and it ****es all down your arm and drips off the driveshaft
when you get it off.

That was helpful !! Now can you tell me anything useful, like how difficult
is the oil filter to grab. No didn't think so!

Graham

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
.. .
Its been done about three time since new, so not to your yearly
requirements, however, I am tempted to do it again this summer as has
been 2 years and 2500 miles since last change and looking light brown
rather than its usual clear honey colour. Any words of wisdom about
doing that? Is the filter accessible. I'll use the trolley jack and
axle stands to get to the drain plug.

Regards
Graham

axle stands or ramps will be fine, if you can (I can't remember as I do
very few KA) undo the filter from under the bonnet rather than from
underneath and you will get less messy. Use a six point spanner or socket
as people often round the sump plug off, any car shop will sell you a new
plug.

Thanks for that. Much appreciated. Glad its possible to reach the oil filter
from above. Fairly easy on my old Sierra as plenty of space, but from what
I've seen modern cars seem to put plastic covers over the top part of engine
(no doubt to discourage home maintenance). I'll still use stands unless
there is some good reason not to, as I prefer them to ramps.

Regards
Graham