"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Utter rubbish , its nothing about working harder , they can afford to
take less because thier cost of living is less

How about those who have moved and are living here?

Did you not see the chavs interviewed on TV outside a job centre refusing
to work for £7/hr picking veg, because they felt it was too much like
hard work?

and because of the stupidity of the EU in supporting thier economies
through leveys on the uk , germany france etc its skewing the market
place , Take spain as an example thier economy has recieved billions
in subsidies since the jioned the eu , so has southern ireland

Ireland joined (what became) the EU at the same time as the UK, in 1972.
Spain in 1977.

Are you against all subsidies for regions experiencing economic
difficulties?

Very few of the eu countries could stand on thier own two feet without
these cash injections ,

So socio-political policy should support the rich-poor divide, rather
than aim for a flattening of socia-economic differences? Is that purely
at national level, or should it be applied to personal taxation within a
country, too?

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

They can still use them in europe , as long as the tank is 'empty' when
they hit the uk and the tank was part of the trailers original
construction then they can still bring the trailers fitted with them
into the uk , it still means they can run on cheap desiel here in the uk

How, if the tank must be EMPTY when they arrive in the UK?

Adrian wrote:

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

You're also competing with foreigners running on cheaper diesel.

But you just told us cheap diesel didn't apply to people doing runs
like yours in your area. Make your mind up.

Not connor but the large foriegn artics with 2000 ltr tanks can
still pick up return loads and transport them around the uk on
thier way to the local ports

So why can't Large British Artics use 2,000 litre tanks, too?

because thiers a limit too the amount of fuel a british registered
lorry can carry , i think the limit is 1500 ltrs , very few lorries
have this size tank as it impacts on maximium load weight when full
,The carrying capacity of lorries varies throughout europe , our laws
are very restrictive

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"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

The maxium fuel carrying capacity of uk wagons is often different to
the eastern european wagons , quite common for them to run with large
belly tanks under thier trailers

So why can't UK hauliers...?

Because our regulations are different to other EU countries

So there's a maximum tank size applicable to UK-registered vehicles, but
which doesn't apply to foreign-registered vehicles being used in the UK?

Why has this never been mentioned before?

, not all uk oads have european destnations

Nor, it would seem, do the ones that Johnny Foreigner is apparently doing
on this cheap diesel that they've brought with 'em. Surely UK hauliers
are just as free to bid for runs heading out of the UK as foreign
hauliers are?

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Not connor but the large foriegn artics with 2000 ltr tanks can still
pick up return loads and transport them around the uk on thier way to
the local ports

So why can't Large British Artics use 2,000 litre tanks, too?

because thiers a limit too the amount of fuel a british registered lorry
can carry , i think the limit is 1500 ltrs

Still waiting for any verifiable reference to this claim...

, very few lorries have this
size tank as it impacts on maximium load weight when full ,The carrying
capacity of lorries varies throughout europe , our laws are very
restrictive

....but apply equally to all vehicles using UK roads, not just UK-
registered vehicles.

On 7 May, 16:16, "steve robinson"
wrote:
wrote:
On 7 May, 14:47, "steve robinson"
wrote:
Conor wrote:
In article , Adrian
says...
"steve robinson" gurgled
happily, sounding much like they were saying:

They are competing against foreign owned trucks who fill up
outside the UK where desiel is cheaper

So how come UK truckers can't take their trucks on a
boozecruise, if it makes so much difference?

8MPG and an overnight ferry or a 320 mile trip to Dover.

Funny how UK truck drivers vary between hideously underpaid and
raking it in, depending on the point trying to be made...

Depends on your definition of a good wage. Currently I'm on
£9.50/hr.

I can get a pole that will do it for £2.00 *thats were the problem
lies and he will sleep in his cab and not want any overnight
allowance

Many eastern eruopean drivers will happliy work for 10p per mile
some will take as little as 5 p per mile ,

I think this is it. *As in so many other industries people from
eastern europe are willing to work harder for less money than UK
nationals. *In the end this will make the UK more efficent and able to
compete on a global level. *It will make life harder for some people
in the short term, but in the long term it will mean that the uk is a
player in the global ecconomy rather that some protectionist backwater
trying and failing to get rich washing each others clothes.

Utter rubbish , its nothing about working harder , they can afford to
take less because thier cost of living is less ,

In this case you may be right, and if it is the case that they work
harder it is because the enforcement of driving hours is more lax.
The sleeping in the cab thing you mentioned could be interpreted as
working harder. I have heard the argument from agricultural and horse
training enplyers that the eastern europeans tend to worrk harder.

and because of the
stupidity of the EU in supporting thier economies through leveys on the
uk , germany france etc its skewing the market place , Take spain as an
example thier economy has recieved billions in *subsidies since the
jioned the eu , so has southern ireland , they could both survive
without these subsidies however it would mean large tax rizes and
better fiscal and economic management something that is politically a
non starter , many large companies are now relocating because of the
tax advantages in these countries , because of the sudsidies we are
paying .fiscal stupidity

Very few of the eu countries could stand on thier own two feet without
these cash injections ,

Poland has not been in the uk for long, has the tax burden dropped
there significantly? I have to suspect that it is because they live
with much lower levels of public services, and the extra cash from the
EU goies to helping there ecconomy catch up, so wages will not be
lower than here for ever.

Other industries manage to compete with Polish wages, why not haulage?

It has been a while since you mentioned fuel duty. Do you belive it
is that that is causing the problem, or these other questions?

Adrian wrote:

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Utter rubbish , its nothing about working harder , they can afford
to take less because thier cost of living is less

How about those who have moved and are living here?


Did you not see the chavs interviewed on TV outside a job centre
refusing to work for £7/hr picking veg, because they felt it was too
much like hard work?

It is hard work and £7.00 an hour is not a very good wage , i was
earning that 20 years ago , they would probably be better off on
benifits

and because of the stupidity of the EU in supporting thier
economies through leveys on the uk , germany france etc its skewing
the market place , Take spain as an example thier economy has
recieved billions in subsidies since the jioned the eu , so has
southern ireland

Ireland joined (what became) the EU at the same time as the UK, in
1972. Spain in 1977.

Are you against all subsidies for regions experiencing economic
difficulties? no but thiers a big difference between a hand up and a
hand out , any help should be subject to econmoic reform no reform no
handout

Very few of the eu countries could stand on thier own two feet
without these cash injections ,

So socio-political policy should support the rich-poor divide, rather
than aim for a flattening of socia-economic differences? Is that
purely at national level, or should it be applied to personal
taxation within a country, too?

Most of the poorer countries are in that position because of thier own
economic mismanagement and fiscal control , you cant force a country
into the twentyfirst centuary they need to grow at thier own pace , you
only have to look at africa , the more we help and interfere the more
they dispise us and yet the more they rely on us


A desperate people that are given food will still be desperate but they
are unlikely to do anything about the situation that caused it

A desperate people who are not given food will be without hope they
will do something about it

On 7 May, 16:49, "steve robinson"
wrote:
Adrian wrote:
"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Utter rubbish , its nothing about working harder , they can afford
to take less because thier cost of living is less

How about those who have moved and are living here?

Did you not see the chavs interviewed on TV outside a job centre
refusing to work for £7/hr picking veg, because they felt it was too
much like hard work?

It is hard work and £7.00 an hour is not a very good wage , i was
earning that 20 years ago , they would probably be better off on
benifits

and because of the stupidity of the EU in supporting thier
economies through leveys on the uk , germany france etc its skewing
the market place , Take spain as an example thier economy has
recieved billions in *subsidies since the jioned the eu , so has
southern ireland

Ireland joined (what became) the EU at the same time as the UK, in
1972. *Spain in 1977.

Are you against all subsidies for regions experiencing economic
difficulties? no but thiers a big difference between a hand up and a

hand out , any help should be subject to econmoic reform no reform no
handout



Very few of the eu countries could stand on thier own two feet
without these cash injections ,

So socio-political policy should support the rich-poor divide, rather
than aim for a flattening of socia-economic differences? Is that
purely at national level, or should it be applied to personal
taxation within a country, too?

Most of the poorer countries are in that position because of thier own
economic mismanagement and fiscal control ,

You are joking? You do not think it is anything to do with being
flattened in WW2, then occupied by russia for 45 years while the west
waged an ecconomic war against the soviet block? What do you suggest
poland do differently? Surely not raise taxes, increase regulation of
industry and prevent labour mobility which seems to be the issues you
are complaining about.

you cant force a country
into the twentyfirst centuary they need to grow at thier own pace , you
only have to look at africa , the more we help and interfere the more
they dispise us and yet the more they rely on us

A desperate people that are given food will still be desperate but they
are unlikely to do anything about the situation that caused it

A desperate people who are not given food will be without hope they
will do something about it

You have to remember that by far the largest chunck of the EU budget
goes on supporting farmers to produce food, in particular inefficent
"farmers" in france. I do not think you can can worry too much about
industrial development support for easten europe while so much money
is spend on the CAP.

If you were to reduce development support in poland etc. you would
only make the problem here worse, as more people would come here
looking for work. It is in everyones intrest to get easten europe up
to a comparable level of wealth.

Adrian wrote:

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

They can still use them in europe , as long as the tank is 'empty'
when they hit the uk and the tank was part of the trailers original
construction then they can still bring the trailers fitted with them
into the uk , it still means they can run on cheap desiel here in
the uk

How, if the tank must be EMPTY when they arrive in the UK?

Most tractor units have one sometimes two or three tanks running at
around 1500ltr capacity , the belly tanks are on the trailer units ,

What many drivers do is uncouple the fuel line , its very rare that
the tank will actually ever be dipped if its not connected , even if it
is its unlikely that a procecution will take place unless it is full
takes them only a few minutes to reconnect the tank
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Adrian wrote:

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Not connor but the large foriegn artics with 2000 ltr tanks can
still pick up return loads and transport them around the uk on
thier way to the local ports

So why can't Large British Artics use 2,000 litre tanks, too?

because thiers a limit too the amount of fuel a british registered
lorry can carry , i think the limit is 1500 ltrs

Still waiting for any verifiable reference to this claim...

google is your freind , look under construction and use of
motorvehicles

, very few lorries have this
size tank as it impacts on maximium load weight when full ,The
carrying capacity of lorries varies throughout europe , our laws
are very restrictive

...but apply equally to all vehicles using UK roads, not just UK-
registered vehicles.

correct but wagons built outside the uk will comply with the laws of
the country its built for , it doesnt stop that vehicle comming to the
uk as long as it meets our weight and hieght restrictions , full
complience is only required if the vehicle is permantly imported to
the uk




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