"Pete M" wrote in message
...

Unfortunately the kicking that the government received last week still
doesn't seem to have sunk into their thick heads. They're still
considering "reviewing" the 2p fuel hike they've got planned for
Septemberish.

You're complaining about 2p a litre? It's gone up about 15p since last year
without any tax hikes involved - it's the price of crude which is making the
significant difference. 2p is sod-all compared to that.

Remember how tax used to be 80% of the price you paid? It's now rather
closer to 60%.

You should be happy though - the premium for diesel is growing :-)

clive

"Ivan" wrote in
:

A few short months ago the prospect of diesel fuel breaking through
the £1.00 a litre barrier appeared to be unlikely, but with it now
costing over £1.20 a liter that's nudging £5.50 a gallon, this got me
wondering just how much it would have to reach before people on this
newsgroup reached a point where they would be seriously thinking about
giving up their car? .. My own threshold would be somewhere around
£10.00 a gallon and that would be it.


It really depends on whether my work will give me a payrise that reflects
the real cost of inflation, rather than the limp labour version.

--
Tunku

"Caution : traces of irony and other metallic objects may be present in
the above post"

"Ivan" wrote in message
...
A few short months ago the prospect of diesel fuel breaking through the
£1.00 a litre barrier appeared to be unlikely, but with it now costing over
£1.20 a liter that's nudging £5.50 a gallon, this got me wondering just how
much it would have to reach before people on this newsgroup reached a point
where they would be seriously thinking about giving up their car? .. My own
threshold would be somewhere around £10.00 a gallon and that would be it.

Dunno - my car's for leisure use only, and the fixed costs aren't much, so I
could probably keep it for longer than some. Driving slower might be an
option though.

I think what you'll actually find is it's more like boiling frogs - people
will just stick with it and maybe change behaviour a bit, rather than
abandoning the car completely.

clive

Clive George wrote:
"Pete M" wrote in message
...

Unfortunately the kicking that the government received last week still
doesn't seem to have sunk into their thick heads. They're still
considering "reviewing" the 2p fuel hike they've got planned for
Septemberish.

You're complaining about 2p a litre? It's gone up about 15p since last
year without any tax hikes involved - it's the price of crude which is
making the significant difference. 2p is sod-all compared to that.

Not the 2p itself, more the fact that they're taking the **** by adding
more tax to the huge amount they're getting anyway.

Remember how tax used to be 80% of the price you paid? It's now rather
closer to 60%.

I remember the fuel blockades were about the price going to 80p a litre.
Since it's passed the £1 mark it's flown up.

You should be happy though - the premium for diesel is growing :-)

And so it should. Loads more tax on diesel, and take it off petrol.

Diesel, filthy stuff.

--
Pete M - OMF#9
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Range Rover 4.6 HSE
"Professional Petrolhead"

"Pete M" wrote in message
...
Ivan wrote:
Pete M wrote:
Ivan wrote:
A few short months ago the prospect of diesel fuel breaking through
the £1.00 a litre barrier appeared to be unlikely, but with it now
costing over £1.20 a liter that's nudging £5.50 a gallon, this got
me wondering just how much it would have to reach before people on
this newsgroup reached a point where they would be seriously
thinking about giving up their car? .. My own threshold would be
somewhere around £10.00 a gallon and that would be it.

I'm currently knocking about in an LPG Vectra Estate as well as the
Range Rovers. Quite funny. Rangie's do around 50-60 miles for £20,
Vectra does 220 for £20. I still use the Rangies when I'm not going
more than around 40 miles.

It's simple, if fuel doesn't come down, I'm just going to have to
charge more for every job I do. Putting the price of fuel up doesn't
mean I'll give up driving, it just means the price of everything I do
goes up.

Well I'm recently retired and me and Mrs are living on slightly under 200
pounds a week, every year the kids' club together and buy us season
tickets for the National Trust, so we very often go off for a day to
visit various places around the country, this can frequently often
involve doing well over 200 miles a day in round trips.
A number of guides at some of the National Trust houses which we have
visited over the last couple of months have commented on how much quieter
it's been so far this year, to me it's not difficult to see the reason
why and of course as you say about increasing prices there are limits to
what people can afford to pay, which imv certainly doesn't bode well, I
think that the knock on effect to every business/industry and every
individual is going to be horrendous.


Unfortunately the kicking that the government received last week still
doesn't seem to have sunk into their thick heads. They're still
considering "reviewing" the 2p fuel hike they've got planned for
Septemberish.

Unfortunately, they seem to think that the 10p tax band makes more
difference than ripping the motorist off for £30-50 a month more in tax.

The country is rapidly heading to the dogs and its this bunch of inept
thieves that have caused the situation we're all in, mainly through insane
taxation on anything they can get away with.

Sooner they're out of power, the better. They've been lying to us since
they were voted in and people *still* voted for them again. Hopefully now
everyone's being hit in the wallet on a daily basis they might think twice
before voting Labour next time.


Any government that reduced road tax and slashed fuel back to 90p/litre
would be elected I bet heh.

--
Dan
Clio V6

I think the Duhg-answer would be "Move house".

Not since they raised stamp duty - it'll cost the thick edge of £20k in
stamp duty for me to move to an identical house nearer work. They get you
every which way!

On Mon, 5 May 2008 23:40:51 +0100, "John" replyingroup@notemail wrote:

Then came a time when the average Joe Bloggs in the street got above his
station, and he found that he could afford a car and a foreign holiday. The
rich people did not like this and so decided to put the average working man
back in his place again, and the rich people will only be happy when we are
shining their shoes and back below stairs where we belong.

Tongue-in-cheek after a few beers but I bet there's a grain of truth in
there somewhere )

John


There's far more than a grain of truth in it.

Only mass production gave power to the workers, who then forced wealth
distribution. Now we rely so heavily on services and much of production is
relocatable, the worker is back in his place. Disposable and cheap.

Andy

Clive George wrote:

"Pete M" wrote in message
...

Unfortunately the kicking that the government received last week
still doesn't seem to have sunk into their thick heads. They're
still considering "reviewing" the 2p fuel hike they've got planned
for Septemberish.

You're complaining about 2p a litre? It's gone up about 15p since
last year without any tax hikes involved - it's the price of crude
which is making the significant difference. 2p is sod-all compared to
that.

Remember how tax used to be 80% of the price you paid? It's now
rather closer to 60%.

You should be happy though - the premium for diesel is growing :-)

clive

The cost to put petrol or desiel on the forcourt is something around 40
pence per litre 80 pence is tax

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"steve robinson" wrote in message
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The cost to put petrol or desiel on the forcourt is something around 40
pence per litre 80 pence is tax

More like 47/73 - and it's the left hand figure which is going up in leaps
and bounds. If it hits 1.50/litre on the forecourt, it'll be about 75/75.

cheers,
clive

Clive George wrote:

"steve robinson" wrote in message
...

The cost to put petrol or desiel on the forcourt is something
around 40 pence per litre 80 pence is tax

More like 47/73 - and it's the left hand figure which is going up in
leaps and bounds. If it hits 1.50/litre on the forecourt, it'll be
about 75/75.

cheers,
clive

It costs less than 2 dollars a barrel to lift it out of the ground ,its
just the way the tax escalator works .Most other countries have a fixed
tax collection figures

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