In article , Adrian says...
Conor gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Truck go one way across water.
Truck come back across water.

Yep, the UK truck would be doing that, just as would the Polish truck.

Polish truck is taking a load that would be paying for this.

Yes...? And...?

What's so special about this load that it can only be carried on a wagon
with Polish plates?

Who said anything about it being solely Polish? It was you who
introduced that. I said foreign.

I thought it was really difficult to do that, since VOSA were
everywhere stopping trucks that looked dodgy?

Not enough VOSA people to catch all the foreign drivers.

Surely, if the EU ones are that hooky, the VOSA people there ARE would be
focussing on 'em?

They are. They still don't have enough inspectors to inspect all the
thousands that come in every week.

Ooh, let me think about that. Because the company isn't a haulier but
runs its own fleet to deliver its own goods?

If running their own fleet's that unprofitable, mebbe it's time to
outsource it to a dedicated logistics company?

If its running it at cost, how can it save money outsourcing it? MFI
thought they'd be clever doing that - subbying it out to DHL and laying
off all their drivers and they ended up on Watchdog a few weeks ago
because their delivery system was in meltdown.


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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article , Adrian says...

37p for a large wholemeal sliced loaf.


Where? Even the cheapo salt ridden Tesco ****e is more than that.

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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article 384e7280-86b3-4c4b-b61e-2bb5c113e49b@
26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com, says...

Well I find it hard to belive that less than 10% of the population are
capable of driving a HGV, but I could be wrong. What is clear is that
there are more people who can than there are jobs for them, or this
would not be a problem.

Driving it is a minor part of the job. Also the Drivers CPC was
introduced which means all newly qualified drivers have to do a 40hr
training course and then sit an exam before they can be employed.
Existing drivers have to have taken it by 2014.

How is it inefficient? There are 10,000 FEWER lorries than in the 50's
shifting over twice the tonnage five times the distance despite more
and more rules being introduced which have reduced the amount of work a
driver can do. Also it's an industry working with profit margins
typically of 3%. You don't last long if you're not efficient.

Because it is (apparently) being out competed by the polish haulage
industry. Whether this is because of goverment regulation, taxation,
or differing acceptable working conditions (or all 3) is the
question. To claim it is because of fuel tax, as this is the one
thing that is the same no matter where the lorry is registered seems a
liitle odd.

I never claimed it was solely from fuel tax. I said it's a contributory
factor. I've listed some of the other factors in several posts.

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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article , Doki says...

********. We have full employment in the UK.

You think? Riight.

FWIW the average degree must cost in the order of £30k once fees, loans and
loss of earnings for 3 years are considered. Do you see graduates without
jobs moaning about how the industry they trained for should be protected by
the Govt?

I see those industries complaining. And we're not asking for
protectionism - just a level playing field. When we go over to the
continent, we have to pay road tolls and vignettes to use their roads
and fines at the side of the road so why do foreign lorries pay nothing
to use our roads and get away with all but the most serious offences?


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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

On Thu, 08 May 2008 10:07:58 GMT, "steve robinson"
wrote:

Ian Dalziel wrote:

On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:16:04 GMT, "steve robinson"
wrote:

Salty wrote:

On Wed, 07 May 2008 22:08:28 GMT, "steve robinson"
wrote:

Steve.

Why are you changing the headings for each reply? You're making my
newsreaders window a right mess with all these extra 'threads'
appearing.

Oh, and can you snip some of the old messages, please?

I am not changing the headings

How much would people on this newsgroup be prepared to pay for a
gallon of fuel?
How much would people on this newsgroup be prepared to pay for agallon
of fuel?
How much would people on this newsgroup be prepared to pay foragallon
of fuel?
How much would people on this newsgroup be prepared to payforagallon
of fuel?
How much would people on this newsgroup be prepared topayforagallon of
fuel?
How much would people on this newsgroup be prepared to pay fora gallon
of fuel?
How much would people on this newsgroup be preparedtopayforagallon of
fuel?

As i have already said i have not changed any headers most of my
comments were in response to postings made by adraine or connor

I can E mail you the posted log if you wish

The first post with every one of those headers apart from the first
was from "steve robinson" .

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Ian D

Conor wrote:

In article 384e7280-86b3-4c4b-b61e-2bb5c113e49b@
26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com, says...

Well I find it hard to belive that less than 10% of the population
are capable of driving a HGV, but I could be wrong. What is clear
is that there are more people who can than there are jobs for them,
or this would not be a problem.

Driving it is a minor part of the job. Also the Drivers CPC was
introduced which means all newly qualified drivers have to do a 40hr
training course and then sit an exam before they can be employed.
Existing drivers have to have taken it by 2014.

How is it inefficient? There are 10,000 FEWER lorries than in the
50's shifting over twice the tonnage five times the distance
despite more and more rules being introduced which have reduced
the amount of work a driver can do. Also it's an industry working
with profit margins typically of 3%. You don't last long if
you're not efficient.

Because it is (apparently) being out competed by the polish haulage
industry. Whether this is because of goverment regulation,
taxation, or differing acceptable working conditions (or all 3) is
the question. To claim it is because of fuel tax, as this is the
one thing that is the same no matter where the lorry is registered
seems a liitle odd.

I never claimed it was solely from fuel tax. I said it's a
contributory factor. I've listed some of the other factors in several
posts.

Conor , i have get similar comments in my business , my stock answer is
why arent you doing it then .

Most people dont see anything other than the lorry , they have no idea
about loads and loading , what you can and cant carry on the same
vehicle axle weights , because they can drive a car they think driving
a lorry is the same.



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Conor wrote:

In article , Doki says...

********. We have full employment in the UK.

You think? Riight.

FWIW the average degree must cost in the order of £30k once fees,
loans and loss of earnings for 3 years are considered. Do you see
graduates without jobs moaning about how the industry they trained
for should be protected by the Govt?

I see those industries complaining. And we're not asking for
protectionism - just a level playing field. When we go over to the
continent, we have to pay road tolls and vignettes to use their roads
and fines at the side of the road so why do foreign lorries pay
nothing to use our roads and get away with all but the most serious
offences?

Basically because our government will stand for the 5 card trick

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"steve robinson" wrote in message
...

Conor , i have get similar comments in my business , my stock answer is
why arent you doing it then .

Um, we're talking about a business sector where there's oversupply and
companies going to the wall - isn't the answer to your question pretty darn
obvious?

The Howdens of this world are the lucky ones - they can put prices up as
costs rise. Its those who've got fixed price contracts for whatever reason
who will be suffering.

clive

Clive George wrote:

"steve robinson" wrote in message
...

Conor , i have get similar comments in my business , my stock
answer is why arent you doing it then .

Um, we're talking about a business sector where there's oversupply
and companies going to the wall - isn't the answer to your question
pretty darn obvious?

The Howdens of this world are the lucky ones - they can put prices up
as costs rise. Its those who've got fixed price contracts for
whatever reason who will be suffering.

clive

Every one wants something for nothing

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"steve robinson" wrote in message
...
Clive George wrote:

"steve robinson" wrote in message
...

Conor , i have get similar comments in my business , my stock
answer is why arent you doing it then .

Um, we're talking about a business sector where there's oversupply
and companies going to the wall - isn't the answer to your question
pretty darn obvious?

The Howdens of this world are the lucky ones - they can put prices up
as costs rise. Its those who've got fixed price contracts for
whatever reason who will be suffering.

Every one wants something for nothing

You included.