Conor gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Truck go one way across water.
Truck come back across water.

Yep, the UK truck would be doing that, just as would the Polish truck.

Polish truck is taking a load that would be paying for this.

Yes...? And...?

What's so special about this load that it can only be carried on a wagon
with Polish plates?

I thought it was really difficult to do that, since VOSA were
everywhere stopping trucks that looked dodgy?

Not enough VOSA people to catch all the foreign drivers.

Surely, if the EU ones are that hooky, the VOSA people there ARE would be
focussing on 'em?

Ooh, let me think about that. Because the company isn't a haulier but
runs its own fleet to deliver its own goods?

If running their own fleet's that unprofitable, mebbe it's time to
outsource it to a dedicated logistics company?

"John" replyingroup@notemail gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

It doesn't get any better.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7387203.stm

I wonder just how much is down to the friggin' numpties on the trading
floors, shouting and screaming at each other worse than a kids tea-party
in a zoo - easy to mis-hear and put the price up I would think )

Shame that hasn't happened for a decade or more, eh?

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Yes renting a flat is going to cost them £6000 a year

Better find a flatmate to share it, then.

Why should they

Because they can't afford not to.

Do **** RIGHT off. My gas and electricity bills - for a lamentably
energy- inefficient Victorian detached house - are less than half that.

well you must be very lucky then

Hardly.

Good, cheap, wholesome fresh fruit and veg. Couple of quid a day. Junk
food, pizzas, burgers etc are luxuries.

your now talking fantasy land

Don't be silly.

a bottle of milk is £1.34

For four pints.

a loaf of bread is at least a £1.00

37p for a large wholemeal sliced loaf.

apples £1.00 a pound same with cabbages

Apples - 65p/kilo, cabbage - 68p/kilo

Those prices are from Asda's website.

transport

Walk or cycle to work.

Not always feasable

Why not?

and clothing costs or the money needed to set up home

Charity shop and recycled furniture projects.

Why should someone whoes working have to buy basic requirements from a
charity shop

Because they can't afford not to.

if you throw in £3000 for food clothing and transport to and from
work that leaves them with a £5.00 a week

Hiho. Looks like a second job in the evenings, and cutting down on the
beer and fags.

Ever heard of the working time directive

Yes, thanks. Doesn't apply.

if you have got to spend all your waking hours working to exist then
thiers a serous problem

Yep, you didn't pay any ****ing attention at school, so didn't get any
qualifications.

Not a lot more than the £7 example.

it is for a sixteen year old straight from school , take into account
the other benifits then that come with that it was considerably more
than what your example highlighted

Umm, that'd be YOUR example, then...

You must have staff beating your door down to come and work for you. I'll
bet those who've travelled a thousand miles to come and find work are
harder workers than those who live with mum.

All transport costs are provided for as are all work clothes PPe I
usally end up buying all the breakfasts and lunches as well (out my
own pocket )

So we can knock the food and transport costs right out of the example
you gave.

No the food and transport is in addition to the hourly rate not instead
of

Exactly. You pay 'em, AND you feed 'em, so they don't have to buy that
food out of their pay.

John wrote:
Ivan wrote:
Ivan wrote:
Adrian wrote:
Chris Bartram gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were Saying:

The depressing Thing is that a lot of non-essentials (think
consumer electronics) are cheaper than ever, but all the stuff you
need (food, electricity, gas, diesel, petrol for example) is
skyrocketing in cost.

Funny how it all balances out to 2% inflation, isn't it?

It's enough to get a good conspiracy theory going...

We have been importing deflation from China since the early
nineties, with Gordon only too willing to take all of the credit by
telling us it was all down to his 'Mr Prudent' no boom and bust
style of management, seems to me that he got out just the right
time, just when it all started to fall apart at the seams, and now
the fall guy Darling is having to take most of the flak.
Did anyone hear what Paddy Ashdown had to say on Question Time this
week?.. In essence he told the audience that as far as cheap energy
and travel goes, the party is now over for good.

It doesn't get any better.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7387203.stm

I wonder just how much is down to the friggin' numpties on the trading
floors, shouting and screaming at each other worse than a kids
tea-party in a zoo - easy to mis-hear and put the price up I would
think )
Seriously though, it seems that prices are driven up by *worries*
about this and *fears* about that, and the *possibility* of the other
- the *actual* situation hasn't *actually* happened, but the fact
that something *may* happen pushes prices up. And then the media talk
it up even further.

But we do live in a world of finite resources and ever spiraling demand from
huge emerging markets such as China and India, so from the point of view of
raw materials and commodities it's increasingly becoming a seller's market.
I still blame governments of all political persuasions, as they should have
seen it all coming years ago, however they are only interested in the short
term lining of pockets and the 'if you vote for me things can only get
better' attitude.

Clive George wrote:

"steve robinson" wrote in message
...

just looked at the website , All the customer names are exactly as
the customers themselves spell them even to the capitalization

You looking at a different website to me?

http://www.colevalleyinteriors.co.uk/

Have a google for some of the names on there to see how the customers
present their names to the public.

I can see 11 names. 9 of them look wrong.

White hall
Blue Diamond
Bible college of wales
Coventant Ministries
Druckers
Bags etc
Coventry University
Crosby homes
Crane care
Solihull education
Radstock coop

Then fix it, and fix the insane width while you're at it...


No i am looking at the purchase orders and other letterheads i have on
file

As i have already said however it is in the process of being changed
and updated

Its not unusual for there to be differing spellings between web sites
and hard copy material , once the site is finished they will be
corrected

--

Adrian wrote:

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Yes renting a flat is going to cost them £6000 a year

Better find a flatmate to share it, then.

Why should they

Because they can't afford not to.

Exactly my point the the skewed playing field is unfairly depressing
wage costs and affecting uk business


Do **** RIGHT off. My gas and electricity bills - for a lamentably
energy- inefficient Victorian detached house - are less than half
that.

well you must be very lucky then

Hardly.

Good, cheap, wholesome fresh fruit and veg. Couple of quid a day.
Junk food, pizzas, burgers etc are luxuries.

your now talking fantasy land

Don't be silly.

a bottle of milk is £1.34

For four pints.

Yes a bottle of milk

a loaf of bread is at least a £1.00

37p for a large wholemeal sliced loaf.

Not round here its not vary between 90pence and 1.49
thats at both azda and tescos



apples £1.00 a pound same with cabbages

Apples - 65p/kilo, cabbage - 68p/kilo

Those prices are from Asda's website.

Not everyone lives near an azda


transport

Walk or cycle to work.

Not always feasable

Why not? because its to far to travel in a reasonable lengh of time

and clothing costs or the money needed to set up home

Charity shop and recycled furniture projects.

Why should someone whoes working have to buy basic requirements
from a charity shop

Because they can't afford not to. Because wage costs are bieng driven
down by immigrant workers

if you throw in £3000 for food clothing and transport to and
from work that leaves them with a £5.00 a week

Hiho. Looks like a second job in the evenings, and cutting down on
the beer and fags.

Ever heard of the working time directive

Yes, thanks. Doesn't apply.

I never said it did but the reasons for its existance do





if you have got to spend all your waking hours working to exist
then thiers a serous problem

Yep, you didn't pay any ****ing attention at school, so didn't get
any qualifications.
thats not the only reason

Not a lot more than the £7 example.

it is for a sixteen year old straight from school , take into
account the other benifits then that come with that it was
considerably more than what your example highlighted

Umm, that'd be YOUR example, then...

Wasnt my example

You must have staff beating your door down to come and work for you.
I'll bet those who've travelled a thousand miles to come and find
work are harder workers than those who live with mum.

I wouldnt expect a 16 year old lad straight from school to work as hard
as an adult , they are still children , many do however

No



All transport costs are provided for as are all work clothes PPe
I usally end up buying all the breakfasts and lunches as well
(out my own pocket )

So we can knock the food and transport costs right out of the
example you gave.

No the food and transport is in addition to the hourly rate not
instead of

Exactly. You pay 'em, AND you feed 'em, so they don't have to buy
that food out of their pay.

Thats the people i employ , not all employers do what i do

I work on the basis i look after them and they look after me


--

On 7 May, 21:06, Conor wrote:
In article , David Jones
says...

So you think that spending £2500 and a few weeks (?) training to get
into a career that a fairly large proportion of the world (what, 10% to
40% at a guess) could do if given said training, and requires a demand
for large amounts of goods travelling around the world by internal
combustion engine is a good and complete carrer plan?

If so many people can do it, how come the failure rate is so high
especially *when you consider the applicants have been driving years so
it's not like a learner car driver

Well I find it hard to belive that less than 10% of the population are
capable of driving a HGV, but I could be wrong. What is clear is that
there are more people who can than there are jobs for them, or this
would not be a problem.

I can't see how adding 1 million people to the dole queue makes us more
efficient.

It is not about that, it is about the country not carrying an inefficent
industry.

How is it inefficient? There are 10,000 FEWER lorries than in the 50's
shifting over twice the tonnage five times the distance despite more
and more rules being introduced which have reduced the amount of work a
driver can do. Also it's an industry working with profit margins
typically of 3%. You don't last long if you're not efficient.

Because it is (apparently) being out competed by the polish haulage
industry. Whether this is because of goverment regulation, taxation,
or differing acceptable working conditions (or all 3) is the
question. To claim it is because of fuel tax, as this is the one
thing that is the same no matter where the lorry is registered seems a
liitle odd.

On Wed, 07 May 2008 22:08:28 GMT, "steve robinson"
wrote:

Steve.

Why are you changing the headings for each reply? You're making my
newsreaders window a right mess with all these extra 'threads'
appearing.

Oh, and can you snip some of the old messages, please?

"steve robinson" wrote in message
...
Adrian wrote:

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Utter rubbish , its nothing about working harder , they can afford
to take less because thier cost of living is less

How about those who have moved and are living here?


Did you not see the chavs interviewed on TV outside a job centre
refusing to work for £7/hr picking veg, because they felt it was too
much like hard work?

It is hard work and £7.00 an hour is not a very good wage , i was
earning that 20 years ago , they would probably be better off on
benifits

I've done veg picking, and I've done the sums on what it costs me to live.
It's hard work, but it's not back breaking. It's infinitely preferable to
working in a factory. Neither are jobs I would want to do for my whole life.
£7 an hour is a good wage - it's perfectly possible to live a very
comfortable life on minimum wage, if you're willing to rent and share a
flat. I have friends who shared a flat, both on minimum wage, considered to
be in poverty according to Govt stats, but regularly ate in restaurants and
drank good wine.

Conor wrote:
In article b9163a39-4d13-4d59-a314-8f14f5f8c785
@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com, says...

I think this is it. As in so many other industries people from
eastern europe are willing to work harder for less money than UK
nationals. In the end this will make the UK more efficent and able
to compete on a global level. It will make life harder for some
people in the short term, but in the long term it will mean that the
uk is a player in the global ecconomy rather that some protectionist
backwater trying and failing to get rich washing each others clothes.

Great, thanks. So 1 million HGV drivers are faced with national
minimum wage or unemployment despite spending over £2500 getting
their licences and with the average age of HGV drivers being 53, no
likelihood of employment ever again just so Joe Public can pay below
the real cost of goods?

********. We have full employment in the UK.

FWIW the average degree must cost in the order of £30k once fees, loans and
loss of earnings for 3 years are considered. Do you see graduates without
jobs moaning about how the industry they trained for should be protected by
the Govt?