"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

All the money they saved up during the glory days when there weren't
enough truck drivers, and money was being thrown at them?

Is that the same money they are having to spend now to replace the
wagons with euro iv compatable vehicles

So why aren't truck drivers from other EU countries having to comply with
those same European regulations?

Anyway, if the wagon's leased, it doesn't matter much - because they'd
have been replacing it at the end of the lease anyway.

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

The foriegn drivers are having 10 times the accidents that uk drivers
are

Must cost 'em a fortune in downtime. Good job that's something UK
truckers don't have to cope with.

In article , Adrian says...
Conor gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

What proportion of UK haulage is done by UK drivers in UK trucks,
foreign drivers in UK trucks, and foreign drivers in foreign trucks?

Most of it is UK haulage with UK drivers. THere's only a few thousand
foreign drivers and around 1500 foreign lorries on the road at any time.

It's obviously not a major issue, then.

Sorry - missed a zero out. It's 15000 per day or 1/30th of the UK
registered fleet (which includes those sat unused in workshops and
vehicle rental yards).

Currently they're only allowed to undertake adhoc or unplanned work.
Soon they'll be allowed to undertake contracted work.



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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article , steve
robinson says...

And then there's the road safety issue but I guess you don't give a
**** about that though eh?

i picked up on that a couple of weeks ago , a tv programme showed a
hungarian lorry no tread on his tyres and some with all the internal
structures poking out the rubber , the driver wasnt arrested or fined
just told to get them fixed

A uk driver would have been sacked by his company , possibly lose his
driving licence or lost his operators licence for having a vehicle in
that condition if he was an owner operator

Showed some drivers who hadnt slept in twenty four hours


But that doesn't bother Adrian.

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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Conor gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

i picked up on that a couple of weeks ago , a tv programme showed a
hungarian lorry no tread on his tyres and some with all the internal
structures poking out the rubber , the driver wasnt arrested or fined
just told to get them fixed

A uk driver would have been sacked by his company , possibly lose his
driving licence or lost his operators licence for having a vehicle in
that condition if he was an owner operator

Showed some drivers who hadnt slept in twenty four hours

But that doesn't bother Adrian.

Quite the opposite. If VOSA enforcement is being applied inconsistently,
then that's obviously a major issue.

It's not quite what you've posted in the past, though, with VOSA
everywhere ready to pounce on a trucker and confiscate the truck at a
moment's notice, truckers being so much safer than car drivers etc. etc.

"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Conor its obvous that adrian doesnt live in the real world has never run
a business has no idea of operating costs or the fact that legislation
and taxation is often skewed against us in the uk

There, my friend, you'd be wrong. It's nearly a decade since I had a
"proper job".

As for operating costs - I even pay rent on business premises. It's so
much more professional than having my home address on my website. You
should try it.

In article , Adrian says...
Conor gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

SO HOW COME IT'S SO MUCH CHEAPER IF THE TRUCK HAS A POLISH PLATE ON IT?

THE TRUCK HAS DRIVEN THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THAT CHEAP PUMP TO HOWDEN'S
FACTORY. IT HAS CROSSED THE WATER WITH THE SAME LIKELIHOOD OF A LOAD
HEADING OUT OF THE UK.

BECAUSE ITS BRINGING A ****ING LOAD INTO THE UK IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Truck go one way across water.
Truck come back across water.

Yep, the UK truck would be doing that, just as would the Polish truck.

Polish truck is taking a load that would be paying for this.

The only difference is the pay for the driver - and since British truck
drivers are on more than minimum wage, the minimum wage legislation
isn't relevant. Corporation tax isn't relevant if the company isn't
making a profit, either.

And the fuel.

bangs head on table

And the fact the driver is likely running bent so they're only paying
one driver to do two drivers work.

I thought it was really difficult to do that, since VOSA were everywhere
stopping trucks that looked dodgy?

Not enough VOSA people to catch all the foreign drivers.

And the vehicle leasing costs.

Is a Merc sold in the UK somehow so much more expensive than one sold in
Poland? If so, why can't the UK trucker buy it in Poland - after all, the
EU free trade rules mean that Merc can't legally refuse to sell like
that. Remember how popular personal import cars used to be?

Do you not understand what the word "lease" means?


And the fact its not being taken off the work it normally does.

Why on earth WOULDN'T you take a wagon off an unprofitable job to do a
profitable one? If nothing else, it should bring the fee for the
unprofitable one up to profitable levels if they want the load shifting...

Ooh, let me think about that. Because the company isn't a haulier but
runs its own fleet to deliver its own goods?
And what would make this job where they wouldn't actually be delivering
anything profitable?


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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article , Adrian says...
"steve robinson" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

All the money they saved up during the glory days when there weren't
enough truck drivers, and money was being thrown at them?

Is that the same money they are having to spend now to replace the
wagons with euro iv compatable vehicles

So why aren't truck drivers from other EU countries having to comply with
those same European regulations?

Anyway, if the wagon's leased, it doesn't matter much - because they'd
have been replacing it at the end of the lease anyway.

Many owner drivers don't lease.

--
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article , Adrian says...

Showed some drivers who hadnt slept in twenty four hours

But that doesn't bother Adrian.

Quite the opposite. If VOSA enforcement is being applied inconsistently,
then that's obviously a major issue.

It's not quite what you've posted in the past, though, with VOSA
everywhere ready to pounce on a trucker and confiscate the truck at a
moment's notice, truckers being so much safer than car drivers etc. etc.

There aren't enough VOSA inspectors to check a sufficient amount of
foreign lorries in the areas they operate. They asked for more money to
pay for more inspectors but were told to **** off.

Thanks to the way policing works in this country as well, the police
tend not to bother chasing foreign lorries for most offences as it
costs too much time/money to pursue them.

UK drivers in UK registered wagons are much safer. One merely needs to
look at my "Cyclops car" thread to see just how well cars are looked
after.

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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In message , Conor
writes
8MPG and an overnight ferry or a 320 mile trip to Dover.

Funny how UK truck drivers vary between hideously underpaid and raking it
in, depending on the point trying to be made...

Depends on your definition of a good wage. Currently I'm on £9.50/hr.
An aside, what happened to the PC support Conor? I thought you only did
the hairy arse bit whilst you were doing your MS exams?



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Clint Sharp