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Old March 18th 06, 04:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
CJ
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Default Engine running cold.

Hi Guys,

Wonder if you can help ...

Dec '92 Range Rover Efi 3.9 Catalyst with Emmegas LPG system (single point).
Belt fan removed (by previous owner) and Kenlowe fan fitted with manual
'dial' thermostat control.

Q1. Does anyone know where I can get the software and laptop cable needed to
properly tune this system (I believe the generic controller used with this
system could be "Digitech" or "Dynatech" ... can't remember exactly what the
previous owner said)?

Q2. The car has always run cold, resulting in the heater system being worse
than useless. I've had the 'plumbing' looked at and 'rearranged' so that the
heater is getting more hot water before it goes to the vapouriser but,
basically, there's been no difference. I've also turned the manual control
for the fan down to minimum, so that it should only come on only when the
engine is really heating up ... also no result. So, unless it's just a case
of getting a new temp sensor or a new manual control for the Kenlowe fan,
I'm out of ideas.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Colin


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Old March 18th 06, 05:34 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Austin Shackles
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Default Engine running cold.

On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:40:47 GMT, "CJ"
enlightened us thusly:

Hi Guys,

Wonder if you can help ...

Dec '92 Range Rover Efi 3.9 Catalyst with Emmegas LPG system (single point).
Belt fan removed (by previous owner) and Kenlowe fan fitted with manual
'dial' thermostat control.

Q1. Does anyone know where I can get the software and laptop cable needed to
properly tune this system (I believe the generic controller used with this
system could be "Digitech" or "Dynatech" ... can't remember exactly what the
previous owner said)?

Q2. The car has always run cold, resulting in the heater system being worse
than useless. I've had the 'plumbing' looked at and 'rearranged' so that the
heater is getting more hot water before it goes to the vapouriser but,
basically, there's been no difference. I've also turned the manual control
for the fan down to minimum, so that it should only come on only when the
engine is really heating up ... also no result. So, unless it's just a case
of getting a new temp sensor or a new manual control for the Kenlowe fan,
I'm out of ideas.


thermostat is your first port of call for a cold-running engine, assuming
you've verified that it is indeed running cold and not just showing cold on
the dial...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
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Old March 18th 06, 06:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
CJ
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Default Engine running cold.


"Austin Shackles" wrote in message
...
On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:40:47 GMT, "CJ"
enlightened us thusly:

Hi Guys,

Wonder if you can help ...

Dec '92 Range Rover Efi 3.9 Catalyst with Emmegas LPG system (single
point).
Belt fan removed (by previous owner) and Kenlowe fan fitted with manual
'dial' thermostat control.

Q1. Does anyone know where I can get the software and laptop cable needed
to
properly tune this system (I believe the generic controller used with this
system could be "Digitech" or "Dynatech" ... can't remember exactly what
the
previous owner said)?

Q2. The car has always run cold, resulting in the heater system being
worse
than useless. I've had the 'plumbing' looked at and 'rearranged' so that
the
heater is getting more hot water before it goes to the vapouriser but,
basically, there's been no difference. I've also turned the manual control
for the fan down to minimum, so that it should only come on only when the
engine is really heating up ... also no result. So, unless it's just a
case
of getting a new temp sensor or a new manual control for the Kenlowe fan,
I'm out of ideas.


thermostat is your first port of call for a cold-running engine, assuming
you've verified that it is indeed running cold and not just showing cold
on
the dial...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)


Hi Austin,

All I know is that the dial's showing cold and the air coming out of the
vents, when the heater is on full, is barely luke warm. I'm also getting
mediocre economy from the car which, I've been told, could be caused by an
engine not fully realising it's optimum running temperature.

Regards,

Colin


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Old March 18th 06, 08:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Briane Moore
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Default Engine running cold.


Q2. The car has always run cold, resulting in the heater system being worse
than useless. I've had the 'plumbing' looked at and 'rearranged' so that the
heater is getting more hot water before it goes to the vapouriser but,
basically, there's been no difference. I've also turned the manual control
for the fan down to minimum, so that it should only come on only when the
engine is really heating up ... also no result. So, unless it's just a case
of getting a new temp sensor or a new manual control for the Kenlowe fan,


Engine temp is set entirely by the engine thermostat. Any fan that is
fitted, whether mechanical or electric, is just to prevent overheating
when moving slowly or stopped.
Check the thermostat is working (or even fitted), and check that it's
the correct temp rating.


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Old March 18th 06, 09:38 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Austin Shackles
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Default Engine running cold.

On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:15:37 GMT, "CJ"
enlightened us thusly:


"Austin Shackles" wrote in message
.. .

Hi Austin,

All I know is that the dial's showing cold and the air coming out of the
vents, when the heater is on full, is barely luke warm. I'm also getting
mediocre economy from the car which, I've been told, could be caused by an
engine not fully realising it's optimum running temperature.


my money's on a dud or missing thermostat - definitely the first p[lace to
start.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
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Old March 19th 06, 04:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
CJ
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Default Engine running cold.


"Briane Moore" wrote in message
news:faf1ac2aea906fc92ec028c2f515c473.51168@mygate .mailgate.org...

Q2. The car has always run cold, resulting in the heater system being
worse
than useless. I've had the 'plumbing' looked at and 'rearranged' so that
the
heater is getting more hot water before it goes to the vapouriser but,
basically, there's been no difference. I've also turned the manual
control
for the fan down to minimum, so that it should only come on only when the
engine is really heating up ... also no result. So, unless it's just a
case
of getting a new temp sensor or a new manual control for the Kenlowe fan,


Engine temp is set entirely by the engine thermostat. Any fan that is
fitted, whether mechanical or electric, is just to prevent overheating
when moving slowly or stopped.
Check the thermostat is working (or even fitted), and check that it's
the correct temp rating.


--
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Cheers Guys,

Thanks for the advice.

Guess how I'll be spending Sunday ...

Regards,

Colin


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Old March 20th 06, 12:01 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
CJ
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Default Engine running cold.


"Austin Shackles" wrote in message
...
On or around Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:40:47 GMT, "CJ"
enlightened us thusly:

Hi Guys,

Wonder if you can help ...

Dec '92 Range Rover Efi 3.9 Catalyst with Emmegas LPG system (single
point).
Belt fan removed (by previous owner) and Kenlowe fan fitted with manual
'dial' thermostat control.

Q1. Does anyone know where I can get the software and laptop cable needed
to
properly tune this system (I believe the generic controller used with this
system could be "Digitech" or "Dynatech" ... can't remember exactly what
the
previous owner said)?

Q2. The car has always run cold, resulting in the heater system being
worse
than useless. I've had the 'plumbing' looked at and 'rearranged' so that
the
heater is getting more hot water before it goes to the vapouriser but,
basically, there's been no difference. I've also turned the manual control
for the fan down to minimum, so that it should only come on only when the
engine is really heating up ... also no result. So, unless it's just a
case
of getting a new temp sensor or a new manual control for the Kenlowe fan,
I'm out of ideas.


thermostat is your first port of call for a cold-running engine, assuming
you've verified that it is indeed running cold and not just showing cold
on
the dial...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)


Hi Austin,

Any ideas about question one above i.e. where to get software and cable for
an Emmegas system? I can only find a very basic Italian website for the
company.

Regards,

Colin


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Old March 20th 06, 09:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Austin Shackles
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Default Engine running cold.

On or around Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:01:22 GMT, "CJ"
enlightened us thusly:


Hi Austin,

Any ideas about question one above i.e. where to get software and cable for
an Emmegas system? I can only find a very basic Italian website for the
company.


what system is it? is it actually a closed loop? If not, then there'll be
no need for software etc. to tune it.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"If you cannot mould yourself as you would wish, how can you expect
other people to be entirely to your liking?"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xvi.
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Old March 20th 06, 06:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
CJ
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Posts: 16
Default Engine running cold.


"Austin Shackles" wrote in message
...
On or around Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:01:22 GMT, "CJ"
enlightened us thusly:


Hi Austin,

Any ideas about question one above i.e. where to get software and cable
for
an Emmegas system? I can only find a very basic Italian website for the
company.


what system is it? is it actually a closed loop? If not, then there'll
be
no need for software etc. to tune it.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"If you cannot mould yourself as you would wish, how can you expect
other people to be entirely to your liking?"
Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xvi.


Hi Austin,

I had the car over at Maxwell Conversions in Stirling, Scotland and Neil
said he had tuned it manually as well as he could but didn't have the
software to fine tune it so, being an absolute beginner with both the Rangie
and LPG, I presume, from what he said, that it is closed loop and does need
software to fine tune the regulator. He said some thing about it being an
Emmegas system but that the electronics were actually a generic, re-badged
type made by either Digitech or Dynatech (can't remember which one he said).

Regards,

Colin


 




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