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Old January 17th 06, 01:08 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Martin
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Default Main gas line - length of car

Due to lack of funds I am semi DIYing an install - ie as much pipework as
possible, evaporator, ect

What are the UK rules regarding the 6m LPG pipe?

My plans are to follow the petrol and brake pipes from back to front.


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Old January 17th 06, 07:37 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Tom Woods
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Default Main gas line - length of car

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:08:08 -0000, "Martin"
wrote:

Due to lack of funds I am semi DIYing an install - ie as much pipework as
possible, evaporator, ect

What are the UK rules regarding the 6m LPG pipe?

My plans are to follow the petrol and brake pipes from back to front.

When i did mine i was told i could put it wherever i liked as long as
it was:

under the car
didnt go too close to the exhaust
securely fixed in place.

The fuel and brake pipes on my car actually run inside the car.
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Old January 17th 06, 07:45 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
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Default Main gas line - length of car

On or around Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:08:08 -0000, "Martin"
enlightened us thusly:

Due to lack of funds I am semi DIYing an install - ie as much pipework as
possible, evaporator, ect

What are the UK rules regarding the 6m LPG pipe?

My plans are to follow the petrol and brake pipes from back to front.


should be OK. Run it away from exhaust pipes and don't do what the
installer did on one of mine, run the pipe across a jacking point, so that
if the jacking point ever gets used it would crush the pipe. fecking moron,
allegedly LPGA approved. That wasn't the only issue, either: fuel pump
cut-off relay mounted underneath the car where all the **** could land on
it, and not a weatherproof relay. Led to an interesting-to-resolve problem,
and completely unnecessary as it was quite easy to put the said relay under
the boot floor, where it now is. Have to say, I haven't done anythign with
the gas feed pipe, other than note that it needs doing one day - the car is
currently not on the road anyway.
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Old January 18th 06, 11:19 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Martin
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Default Main gas line - length of car

That wasn't the only issue, either: fuel pump
cut-off relay mounted underneath the car where all the **** could land on
it, and not a weatherproof relay.


In the cardboard box there waas only the one safety cut out valve and that
was bolted to the evaporator.

Haven't had the cover off the Stako tank yet

I also need 2 injector looms, the ones which interface with the original
injectors, there are about 6 designs!


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Old January 18th 06, 01:47 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
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Default Main gas line - length of car

On or around Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:19:50 -0000, "Martin"
enlightened us thusly:

That wasn't the only issue, either: fuel pump
cut-off relay mounted underneath the car where all the **** could land on
it, and not a weatherproof relay.


In the cardboard box there waas only the one safety cut out valve and that
was bolted to the evaporator.


note that my comment was about a relay for disconnecting the petrol pump.

BUT.

you should, on a properly installed system, have 3 solenoid valves on the
gas - one built into the tank, one in the gas line and one on the
vapouriser. Or so I understand it. All 3 have to be on simultaneously for
gas to flow.

Haven't had the cover off the Stako tank yet

I also need 2 injector looms, the ones which interface with the original
injectors, there are about 6 designs!

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Old January 19th 06, 10:28 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Martin
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Default Main gas line - length of car

note that my comment was about a relay for disconnecting the petrol pump.

Whoops!

BUT.


you should, on a properly installed system, have 3 solenoid valves on the
gas - one built into the tank,


Uner the plastic cover

one in the gas line


Haven't seen this one

and one on the vapouriser.


This is the engine end of the gas pipe unless confused with the one I
haven't seen

I have

1) A Stako tank & mountings

2) Filler nozzle

3) Its bracket

4) Romano evaporator with a solenoid valve on the liquid gas pipe

5) Romano N system consisting of

a) ECU
b) switch
c) 6 injectors
d) 1 main loom to ECU
e) 2 gas injector looms

6) 6 long straws for fitting in the top of the plenum (will change to side
so need shorter ones!)

7) A pressure sensor - straw was stuck in rolled plenum

8) A little cylindrical thing with two wires on anbout 4 or 5mm dia

9) Gas tubing from Evaporator through splitter to the 6 injectors

Missing

Copper pipes, the petrol injector interface looms.

The kit was in my old car which was rolled on a very greasy road, and was 3
monhs old, I still owe £1100 on this install so cannot afford to get it all
professionally fitted, so I will fit as much as I can then get it
professionally checked and emmision checked


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Old January 19th 06, 07:08 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
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Default Main gas line - length of car

On or around Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:28:41 -0000, "Martin"
enlightened us thusly:

note that my comment was about a relay for disconnecting the petrol pump.


Whoops!

BUT.


you should, on a properly installed system, have 3 solenoid valves on the
gas - one built into the tank,



If yer lucky, someone has a copy of COP11 and can check for you whether the
3rd cut-off valve is actually a requirement. I've not seen one without it
though.

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Old January 19th 06, 09:17 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
a.n.other
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Default Main gas line - length of car

Would recommend running the gas pipe the opposite side to the petrol pipe.
Should one of them then get damaged, the car will run on the other. If they
are together, the will probably both get damaged.


"Martin" wrote in message
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Due to lack of funds I am semi DIYing an install - ie as much pipework as
possible, evaporator, ect

What are the UK rules regarding the 6m LPG pipe?

My plans are to follow the petrol and brake pipes from back to front.




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Old January 19th 06, 10:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Peter Hill
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Default Main gas line - length of car

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:17:21 +0000 (UTC), "a.n.other"
wrote:

Would recommend running the gas pipe the opposite side to the petrol pipe.
Should one of them then get damaged, the car will run on the other. If they
are together, the will probably both get damaged.


What sort of idiot tyre shops do you go too? They always seem to
manage to crumple the seams on my sills as they can't be arsed to find
the jacking points and are too thick to ask me. But in over 25 years
and 300K miles I have never heard of anyone having damage to a fuel
line. They may corrode and fail MOT but they are run out of harms
way.
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Old January 20th 06, 01:19 AM posted to uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
Stewart Hargrave
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Default Main gas line - length of car

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:08:09 +0000, Austin Shackles
wrote:

On or around Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:28:41 -0000, "Martin"
enlightened us thusly:

note that my comment was about a relay for disconnecting the petrol pump.


Whoops!

BUT.


you should, on a properly installed system, have 3 solenoid valves on the
gas - one built into the tank,



If yer lucky, someone has a copy of COP11 and can check for you whether the
3rd cut-off valve is actually a requirement. I've not seen one without it
though.


IIRC COP 11 says something like keeping the main LPG line 24" (or was
it 18"?) from the exhaust, or if this is not possible, installing a
heat shield between them. This is out of date, but may give you some
guidance http://www.geocities.com/lpgmanuk/cop11.html


Where would the 3rd solenoid go? I've got one on the tank (not built
in, but mounted as near to it as I could get it), and one on the vap.

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