Hi Steve

Steve Firth wrote:
Adrian wrote:

I shall probably endorse your petition.
Many thanks - it's appreciated

OK, I haven't done it. I don't want to subscribe to a newsletter and the
"code" whatever the **** that is isn't visible so the website won't
accept my comment.

Another triumph of ****bugwittery over common sense when it comes to
website design.

I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.

The 'code' is the three-letter 'captcha' image that should appear
just below the comment box. It's designed to stop those darn 'spambots'
that otherwise clog up such online forms - and it was working OK the
last time I looked...

Where does it mention a newletter..... ? - can't remember putting that
in there...

Adrian

Adrian wrote:

Hi Steve

Steve Firth wrote:
Adrian wrote:

I shall probably endorse your petition.
Many thanks - it's appreciated

OK, I haven't done it. I don't want to subscribe to a newsletter and the
"code" whatever the **** that is isn't visible so the website won't
accept my comment.

Another triumph of ****bugwittery over common sense when it comes to
website design.

I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.

No, I'm not joking.

The 'code' is the three-letter 'captcha' image that should appear
just below the comment box. It's designed to stop those darn 'spambots'
that otherwise clog up such online forms - and it was working OK the
last time I looked...

No sign of it and I didn't enter one. checks No, it's still not there.
Would it by any chance be some sort of Javascript thing? I don't run
Javascript from websites, for fairly obvious reasons.

Where does it mention a newletter..... ? - can't remember putting that
in there...

On the home page:

"To show your support for our campaign - please support our 'e-petition'
here and we'll add your name to our e-newsletter and keep you up-to-date
with any developments."

Sorry it's an e-newsletter obviously not the same thing as a newsletter.

In article ,
Steve Firth wrote:
I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.

No, I'm not joking.

They're there when I checked just now. 'Sent 05/17/2008 06:46:33'. Nothing
better to do this time on a Saturday? ;-)

The 'code' is the three-letter 'captcha' image that should appear
just below the comment box. It's designed to stop those darn 'spambots'
that otherwise clog up such online forms - and it was working OK the
last time I looked...

No sign of it and I didn't enter one. checks No, it's still not there.
Would it by any chance be some sort of Javascript thing? I don't run
Javascript from websites, for fairly obvious reasons.

It appears as just a JPEG icon here using an old version of JavaScript.



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HI Steve / Dave

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Firth wrote:
I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.

No, I'm not joking.

They're there when I checked just now. 'Sent 05/17/2008 06:46:33'. Nothing
better to do this time on a Saturday? ;-)

Interesting....

In theory (!), if you couldn't see the 'captcha' letters, and
therefore couldn't enter them - then your comment shouldn't have made it
to the e-petition..... so I wonder how that happened....

I think I'll have to look into stopping the spammers server-side -
there's a couple of easy checks that 'spot' spambot entries and 'kill'
them before writing them to the e-petition file - maybe I'll look inot
that and scrap the 'captcha'...


The 'code' is the three-letter 'captcha' image that should appear
just below the comment box. It's designed to stop those darn 'spambots'
that otherwise clog up such online forms - and it was working OK the
last time I looked...

No sign of it and I didn't enter one. checks No, it's still not there.
Would it by any chance be some sort of Javascript thing? I don't run
Javascript from websites, for fairly obvious reasons.

It appears as just a JPEG icon here using an old version of JavaScript.

It's a 'bolt on' feature supplied as part of the web editing program -
much of the form handling is done in php, but I'm not sure just how the
'captcha' bit works...

Thanks for the feedback folks ....

Adrian

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Steve Firth wrote:
I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.

No, I'm not joking.

They're there when I checked just now. 'Sent 05/17/2008 06:46:33'. Nothing
better to do this time on a Saturday? ;-)

Early start. Believe me I was looking forward to a lie-in, but the
farmer's wives coven has a meeting over near Basingstoke and I was
volunteered as driver.

Yes, I can see that the comment is there, but the site gave an error
message and I can't find the spamtrap picture at all and I'm bemused
about why the site accepted the comment if the "captcha" thing is an
essential part of the process.

Still can't see it.

Hi Steve

Steve Firth wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Steve Firth wrote:
I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.
No, I'm not joking.
They're there when I checked just now. 'Sent 05/17/2008 06:46:33'. Nothing
better to do this time on a Saturday? ;-)

Early start. Believe me I was looking forward to a lie-in, but the
farmer's wives coven has a meeting over near Basingstoke and I was
volunteered as driver.

You & me both - up 0630 hours to pack the car for the local Farmers'
market...


Yes, I can see that the comment is there, but the site gave an error
message and I can't find the spamtrap picture at all and I'm bemused
about why the site accepted the comment if the "captcha" thing is an
essential part of the process.

So am I - I'll have to have a paddle round the code.... g


Still can't see it.

Aha - well - you won't now, 'cos I've taken it off g
- preparing for the avalance of spambot bother....

It's more of an irritation than a big deal, 'cos everything had to be
validated by me before it gets published (had a couple of daft entries
early on) - but it's annoying ploughing through 20 spambot messages and
deleting each one...

However - I'm all for making it more 'user-friendly' -
we don;t want to make it hard for folks to sign up to the e-petition...

You don;t recall what the error message was, do you ??

Ah well - it's raining out here in West Cork this afternoon -
ideal weather for hacking server-side scripts !

Thanks
Adrian

Adrian wrote:

You don;t recall what the error message was, do you ??

Sorry, no I wasn't pying attention that much. It seemed to be offended
because Javascript is disabled in my browser and I got a error page that
looked like it was generated by NoScript rather than by your site.

HI Steve

Steve Firth wrote:
Adrian wrote:

You don;t recall what the error message was, do you ??

Sorry, no I wasn't pying attention that much. It seemed to be offended
because Javascript is disabled in my browser and I got a error page that
looked like it was generated by NoScript rather than by your site.

Ah - OK.....

Odd that it let you post anyway.....

Have modded the page for the time being to remove the 'captcha' thing -
and modded the (hidden) admin page so's I can bulk-delete spambot posts.

We'll see how it goes...

Thanks
Adrian

Steve Firth wrote:


Yes, I can see that the comment is there, but the site gave an error
message and I can't find the spamtrap picture at all and I'm bemused
about why the site accepted the comment if the "captcha" thing is an
essential part of the process.

Still can't see it.

I had a quick look at the page source. I am not particularly good with
javascript, because I never learned it, but there are enough
similarities with Coral66 which I did learn 20 years ago to have some
idea of what is going on.

As far as I can see, if the scripts don't run, then the validation to
decide not to send the form if there is a completion error doesn't run
either, so anything gets through.

Who hasn't tested the No Script conditions then? ;-)

Jim

HI Jim

Jim Warren wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:


Yes, I can see that the comment is there, but the site gave an error
message and I can't find the spamtrap picture at all and I'm bemused
about why the site accepted the comment if the "captcha" thing is an
essential part of the process.

Still can't see it.

I had a quick look at the page source. I am not particularly good with
javascript, because I never learned it, but there are enough
similarities with Coral66 which I did learn 20 years ago to have some
idea of what is going on.

As far as I can see, if the scripts don't run, then the validation to
decide not to send the form if there is a completion error doesn't run
either, so anything gets through.

Who hasn't tested the No Script conditions then? ;-)


Thanks for taking the time to look - appreciated..

As to 'who hasn't...?' then that'd be the folks at Netobjects.... g
- the form handling was their product, part of NetobjectsFusion10.

They're not very keen to sort out bugs in the scripts - I've asked
them... seem to be much more focussed on the new version of NOF that's
due out sometime soon (probably using the same scripts !)

Ah well... that's life g

Thanks
Adrian