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I've just got myself a P6 spares car that, as is the nature of these
things, turns out to be too good to break for spares.
It's a 1972 2000TC in dog**** brown (Tobacco Leaf), with paint that's
thick and horrid. It's fitted with a single carb and the engine has
loads of bits missing (camshaft, side panel bolts, etc). But the base
unit's surprisingly sound, only needing identical repairs to the sill
ends that I carried out on my main P6 last year.

So it looks horrible and the engine's scrap - why don't I bung a turbo
diesel engine in it and create an economical runabout? Better than just
scrapping the thing, surely.

But what engine?
I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those would
just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed 'box?
Any other ideas?
Needs to be modern enough to be economical and not too slow; cheap and
available; simple electronics; not too heavy; bonus if it doesn't sound
like a tractor.

Willy Eckerslyke (Willy Eckerslyke ) gurgled
happily, sounding much like they were saying:

But what engine?
I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those would
just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed 'box?
Any other ideas?
Needs to be modern enough to be economical and not too slow; cheap and
available; simple electronics; not too heavy; bonus if it doesn't sound
like a tractor.

That's going to be a difficult circle to square, especially if you add in
"Preferably a RWD fitment" to avoid complications with ancilliaries &
sump. You're definitely wanting something pre-common rail. Is a 1.8
really going to be up to something the size of a P6?

I think I'd be looking towards Merc - perhaps the five-pot 2.7 from a
rotten mid-late 90s E-class or battered early Sprinter?

Adrian wrote:
Willy Eckerslyke (Willy Eckerslyke ) gurgled
happily, sounding much like they were saying:

But what engine?
I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those would
just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed 'box?
Any other ideas?
Needs to be modern enough to be economical and not too slow; cheap and
available; simple electronics; not too heavy; bonus if it doesn't sound
like a tractor.

That's going to be a difficult circle to square, especially if you add in
"Preferably a RWD fitment" to avoid complications with ancilliaries &
sump.

Yes-ish. The P6 has a pretty large engine bay. The main restriction is
the crossmember/subframe which means an engine has to be no longer than
23" to sit behind it or no higher than 21" if it sits over it.
There's a width restriction of 18" at for the rear 6" or so, which could
be awkward.
The Mondeo engine would fit behind the crossmember OK, with a slight
question whether the exhaust manifold fits in the 18" gap. It's an inch
too tall to sit any further forward.

You're definitely wanting something pre-common rail.

Definitely, for simplicity and cost.

Is a 1.8
really going to be up to something the size of a P6?

I dunno, I'm thinking our Mondeo estate must be a similar weight to a
P6. Its 1.8TD pulls it along well enough once the turbo's kicked in and
returns 40+ mpg. The 2000TC's not the quickest car in the world so I
reckoned it would be a reasonable match. Worst bit would be the turbo
lag when pulling away in low revs. Dunno if this can be improved or not.

I think I'd be looking towards Merc - perhaps the five-pot 2.7 from a
rotten mid-late 90s E-class or battered early Sprinter?

Nice thought. It would last forever too. Assuming it doesn't weigh a
ton, the deciding factor would be how tall it is, as a 5 pot would be
too long to sit behind the crossmember.
Hmm, I've just had a click around and found photos of a 2003 Sprinter
engine, which has a very deep sump at the front. Unless it can be
reversed or earlier ones are very different, that would be a non starter.

"Willy Eckerslyke" wrote in message
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Those of a sensitive nature may prefer to look away now.

I've just got myself a P6 spares car that, as is the nature of these
things, turns out to be too good to break for spares.
It's a 1972 2000TC in dog**** brown (Tobacco Leaf), with paint that's
thick and horrid. It's fitted with a single carb and the engine has loads
of bits missing (camshaft, side panel bolts, etc). But the base unit's
surprisingly sound, only needing identical repairs to the sill ends that I
carried out on my main P6 last year.

So it looks horrible and the engine's scrap - why don't I bung a turbo
diesel engine in it and create an economical runabout? Better than just
scrapping the thing, surely.

But what engine?
I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those would
just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed 'box?
Any other ideas?
Needs to be modern enough to be economical and not too slow; cheap and
available; simple electronics; not too heavy; bonus if it doesn't sound
like a tractor.


2.3TD Carlton?

Simon H

Willy Eckerslyke (Willy Eckerslyke ) gurgled
happily, sounding much like they were saying:

I think I'd be looking towards Merc - perhaps the five-pot 2.7 from a
rotten mid-late 90s E-class or battered early Sprinter?

Nice thought. It would last forever too. Assuming it doesn't weigh a
ton, the deciding factor would be how tall it is, as a 5 pot would be
too long to sit behind the crossmember. Hmm, I've just had a click
around and found photos of a 2003 Sprinter engine, which has a very deep
sump at the front. Unless it can be reversed or earlier ones are very
different, that would be a non starter.

Same engine as in 2.7 diesel C- and E-classes.

2003 would be the later common-rail, though. A mate's got an R-reg pre-
CDI 2.7 Sprinter - very civilised, and plenty quick.

Adrian wrote:
Willy Eckerslyke (Willy Eckerslyke ) gurgled
happily, sounding much like they were saying:

I think I'd be looking towards Merc - perhaps the five-pot 2.7 from a
rotten mid-late 90s E-class or battered early Sprinter?

Nice thought. It would last forever too. Assuming it doesn't weigh a
ton, the deciding factor would be how tall it is, as a 5 pot would be
too long to sit behind the crossmember. Hmm, I've just had a click
around and found photos of a 2003 Sprinter engine, which has a very deep
sump at the front. Unless it can be reversed or earlier ones are very
different, that would be a non starter.

Same engine as in 2.7 diesel C- and E-classes.

2003 would be the later common-rail, though. A mate's got an R-reg pre-
CDI 2.7 Sprinter - very civilised, and plenty quick.

I'll definitely have a look then, thanks for the suggestion. I've just
remembered where there's a pleasant backyard mechanic with a collection
of old Mercs, so I'll head over there tomorrow with my tape measure.

Simon H wrote:

2.3TD Carlton?

Same as the Frontera then? I was a little put off them by one I scrapped
last year after the engine had cost a colleague a fortune in parts
before expiring. Are they more reliable in the Carlton? If so, then it
could be an easy option.

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says...

I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those would
just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed 'box?

NOOOOOOOO. There wouldn't be enough power in that to even set off.

Any other ideas?

One of the 2.5TDs from a Transit.


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Conor (Conor ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those
would just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed
'box?

NOOOOOOOO. There wouldn't be enough power in that to even set off.

I'm not so sure, actually. Having a google, a P6 only weighs 1300kg. A
Mundildo's a chunk heavier.

In article , Adrian says...
Conor (Conor ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those
would just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed
'box?

NOOOOOOOO. There wouldn't be enough power in that to even set off.

I'm not so sure, actually. Having a google, a P6 only weighs 1300kg. A
Mundildo's a chunk heavier.

Well that's me surprised. I thought they were heavier. Certainly my
2000TC seemed to handle as if it were. That was also dog**** brown as
well. I miss the smell of the leather it had.



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