Conor wrote:
In article , Adrian says...
Conor (Conor ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those
would just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed
'box?
NOOOOOOOO. There wouldn't be enough power in that to even set off.

I dunno, over 2000rpm it'd be OK. I'm just not sure if I could live with
its sluggishness below that. Overall I'm sure performance would be
about the same or maybe even slightly better than the 2000TC, but it
would have a very different feel to it.

I'm not so sure, actually. Having a google, a P6 only weighs 1300kg. A
Mundildo's a chunk heavier.

Thanks for taking the time Adrian. That's quite encouraging.

Well that's me surprised. I thought they were heavier. Certainly my
2000TC seemed to handle as if it were.

I tend to measure cars by the Vanden Plas 4 Litre R which was the
biggest tank I ever owned and weighed just over 30cwt (~1600Kg). On that
scale the P6 is pretty heavy, but not by the standards of modern bloated
cars.

That was also dog**** brown as
well. I miss the smell of the leather it had.

The leather's in good nick on this one, though surprisingly it's one of
the rears that has a split. I shouldn't have any trouble finding a
replacement as it's normally the fronts that go.

Willy Eckerslyke (Willy Eckerslyke ) gurgled
happily, sounding much like they were saying:

I tend to measure cars by the Vanden Plas 4 Litre R which was the
biggest tank I ever owned and weighed just over 30cwt (~1600Kg). On that
scale the P6 is pretty heavy, but not by the standards of modern bloated
cars.

Just over a ton _less_ than a Disco3...

Or about three times a 2cv.

"Willy Eckerslyke" wrote in message
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Those of a sensitive nature may prefer to look away now.

I've just got myself a P6 spares car that, as is the nature of these
things, turns out to be too good to break for spares.
It's a 1972 2000TC in dog**** brown (Tobacco Leaf), with paint that's
thick and horrid. It's fitted with a single carb and the engine has
loads of bits missing (camshaft, side panel bolts, etc). But the base
unit's surprisingly sound, only needing identical repairs to the sill
ends that I carried out on my main P6 last year.

So it looks horrible and the engine's scrap - why don't I bung a turbo
diesel engine in it and create an economical runabout? Better than just
scrapping the thing, surely.

But what engine?
I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those would
just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed 'box?
Any other ideas?
Needs to be modern enough to be economical and not too slow; cheap and
available; simple electronics; not too heavy; bonus if it doesn't sound
like a tractor.

Same engine was used in the P100 pickup, and can be used as a turbodisiesel
that way. Also had a 5-speed rwd as standard.
Badger.

"Willy Eckerslyke" wrote in message
...
Those of a sensitive nature may prefer to look away now.

I've just got myself a P6 spares car that, as is the nature of these
things, turns out to be too good to break for spares.
It's a 1972 2000TC in dog**** brown (Tobacco Leaf), with paint that's
thick and horrid. It's fitted with a single carb and the engine has loads
of bits missing (camshaft, side panel bolts, etc). But the base unit's
surprisingly sound, only needing identical repairs to the sill ends that I
carried out on my main P6 last year.

So it looks horrible and the engine's scrap - why don't I bung a turbo
diesel engine in it and create an economical runabout? Better than just
scrapping the thing, surely.

But what engine?
I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those would
just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed 'box?
Any other ideas?
Needs to be modern enough to be economical and not too slow; cheap and
available; simple electronics; not too heavy; bonus if it doesn't sound
like a tractor.

Have you had any thoughts about the rear axle ratio?

Ron Robinson

Willy Eckerslyke wrote:
Those of a sensitive nature may prefer to look away now.

I've just got myself a P6 spares car that, as is the nature of these
things, turns out to be too good to break for spares.
It's a 1972 2000TC in dog**** brown (Tobacco Leaf), with paint that's
thick and horrid. It's fitted with a single carb and the engine has
loads of bits missing (camshaft, side panel bolts, etc). But the base
unit's surprisingly sound, only needing identical repairs to the sill
ends that I carried out on my main P6 last year.

So it looks horrible and the engine's scrap - why don't I bung a turbo
diesel engine in it and create an economical runabout? Better than just
scrapping the thing, surely.

But what engine?
I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those would
just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed 'box?
Any other ideas?
Needs to be modern enough to be economical and not too slow; cheap and
available; simple electronics; not too heavy; bonus if it doesn't sound
like a tractor.

Personally, I think it'd be a nice idea to put a petrol V8 in, something
around 3.5 litre would be ideal.

I think the one from a Range Rover might fit :-p

--
Pete M - OMF#9
Range Rover V8 Turbo
space vacant
"Professional Petrolhead"

Willy Eckerslyke wrote:
Those of a sensitive nature may prefer to look away now.

I've just got myself a P6 spares car that, as is the nature of these
things, turns out to be too good to break for spares.
It's a 1972 2000TC in dog**** brown (Tobacco Leaf), with paint that's
thick and horrid. It's fitted with a single carb and the engine has
loads of bits missing (camshaft, side panel bolts, etc). But the base
unit's surprisingly sound, only needing identical repairs to the sill
ends that I carried out on my main P6 last year.

So it looks horrible and the engine's scrap - why don't I bung a turbo
diesel engine in it and create an economical runabout? Better than
just scrapping the thing, surely.

But what engine?
I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those
would just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed
'box? Any other ideas?
Needs to be modern enough to be economical and not too slow; cheap and
available; simple electronics; not too heavy; bonus if it doesn't
sound like a tractor.

Pre-PD VAG TDI?

Nice, simple engine, fitted longitudinally in Audis, so ideal for a RWD car.

ISTR you can get bellhousing kits for the Sierra gearbox, too, as the block
has the same bolt pattern as the 1.8T which is gaining popularity with kit
car builders.

Best part of it is that you could have a P6 that'll do 50mpg and have more
power than the V8.
--
SteveH - www.italiancar.co.uk
Via hotel wifi and Asus Eee

Willy Eckerslyke wrote:

Adrian wrote:
I think I'd be looking towards Merc - perhaps the five-pot 2.7 from
a rotten mid-late 90s E-class or battered early Sprinter?

Nice thought. It would last forever too. Assuming it doesn't weigh a
ton, the deciding factor would be how tall it is, as a 5 pot would be
too long to sit behind the crossmember. Hmm, I've just had a click
around and found photos of a 2003 Sprinter engine, which has a very
deep sump at the front. Unless it can be reversed or earlier ones are
very different, that would be a non starter.

I had a late eighties 250D until a few months ago and having had a P6
in the past, I'd say you'd have to extend the engine bay to get that
thing to fit.

The bloke who's building the Westfield Diesel in PPC is using an Audi
Turbodiesel engine, but I can't remember at the moment what kind of
gearbox he's using.

--
'89 Mazda RX-7 Convertible
'92 Mazda RX-7

"Willy Eckerslyke" wrote in message
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Simon H wrote:

2.3TD Carlton?

Same as the Frontera then? I was a little put off them by one I scrapped
last year after the engine had cost a colleague a fortune in parts before
expiring. Are they more reliable in the Carlton? If so, then it could be
an easy option.

AFAIK the Carlton 2.3 lump is exactly the same as the Fronty. At least a
Carlton lump would come complete with a suitable gearbox. Not sure if the
Fronty box has the transfer box bolted on the end. Hmmm, a 4X4 P6 perhaps?
There must be some RWD pick-ups that are being overlooked. Weren't there 2WD
versions of the Mitsi L200 and Toyota Hi-Lux? And something similar by
Nissan and Mazda (B2500 or summat?). If you're going to desecrate a P6 by
sticking a diesel lump in it you might as well really p*ss off the purists
and put a Jap motor in...
In any case, you might like to consider how the P6 diff ratio will get on
with an engine that hits the red line at around 4000 rpm...

Simon H

"Willy Eckerslyke" wrote in message
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Conor wrote:
In article , Adrian says...
Conor (Conor ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those
would just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed
'box?
NOOOOOOOO. There wouldn't be enough power in that to even set off.

I dunno, over 2000rpm it'd be OK. I'm just not sure if I could live with
its sluggishness below that. Overall I'm sure performance would be about
the same or maybe even slightly better than the 2000TC, but it would have
a very different feel to it.

I'm not so sure, actually. Having a google, a P6 only weighs 1300kg. A
Mundildo's a chunk heavier.

actually a mk2 mundano is about that or less, a 2.0 mk3 is around 1400kg.

Badger wrote:
"Willy Eckerslyke" wrote in message
...

I've measured the Ford Endura 1.8TD in our Mondeo and one of those would
just about fit. Can they be bolted directly to a Sierra 5-speed 'box?
Any other ideas?
Needs to be modern enough to be economical and not too slow; cheap and
available; simple electronics; not too heavy; bonus if it doesn't sound
like a tractor.

Same engine was used in the P100 pickup,

If it was, then they've changed the packaging quite markedly. I had a
P100 TD and the engine looked completely different to the lump in our
Mondeo. It was also an awful lot slower, only some of which could have
been down the the extra weight of the pickup.

and can be used as a turbodisiesel
that way. Also had a 5-speed rwd as standard.

Good point. Some scope for mixing and matching perhaps. Though P100s are
becoming pretty collectible themselves now.