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Tim Jones wrote:
I'm afraid that there are perfectly sane thinking people out here that
think the current system is OK. They're not trollsand they have
thought it through for themselves!

I've just taxed the car online this afternoon. Took all of 5 minutes -
even using this rather slow browser. Can't see declaring SORN taking any
longer and anyone posting here has obviously access to a computer.
So to me as a principle it's making a mountain out of a molehill - unless
there are hidden agendas behind the proposal.

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On 2008-01-30, Tim Jones wrote:

I think Austins already covered this, a followup letter is fine, but
in the event of someone (thats me in thecase I highlighted) forgetting
to followup if that letter isn't received an annual SORN serves as a
reminder.

It's hardly suitable. As I said, it can be up to a year after the
event that you get the "reminder" and the "reminder" letters aren't
guaranteed themselves, if you could forget the followup letter, or if
that followup letter isn't received, then the same thing can happen
with the yearly SORN reminders.

I'm afraid that there are perfectly sane thinking people out here that
think the current system is OK. They're not trollsand they have
thought it through for themselves!

Not really. It's not suitable as a means of confirming correct
transfer of ownership, the fact that it can do so in a very untimely
and unreliable fashion is a byproduct of the excessive beaurocracy
that it signifies.

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Ian Rawlings wrote:
On 2008-01-30, Tim Jones wrote:

I've given an example of how the current system works, what
alternative would you propose and how would it be as effective at
checking the process of transferring ownership has been completed
correctly?

A follow-up letter from the DVLA would do fine, the idea that the
whole yearly repeated SORN business is justifiable because it can flag
up that the process didn't complete is daft. For a start, if you SORN
a car then sell it the next day and send off the V5, it'll be a year
before you get notification that the V5 didn't get there.

I think you've hit a point there, apart from my wish for someone to
attempt to justify 'registration' it would seem repetitive SORN is
merely an admission that DVLA are not fit for purpose in that they
cannot be trusted to keep records!
I'm currently attempting to register my new acquisition. Swansea claim
they cannot do it because I am not resident in Mainland UK, wherever
that is, Coleraine refuse to recognise Swansea's documentation and
require me to complete a new registration application by hand. FFS is it
any surprise I think they're all a waste of space!

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GbH ("GbH" ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

I'm currently attempting to register my new acquisition. Swansea claim
they cannot do it because I am not resident in Mainland UK, wherever
that is,

It's that big kinda islandy thing, generally known as Great Britain, and
consisting of England, Scotland, Wales. If you aren't resident in one of
those three, then - no, you don't register your car with DVLA Swansea.

Coleraine

So you're in NI? Right. So you don't register with Swansea. Next.

refuse to recognise Swansea's documentation and require me to complete
a new registration application by hand.

And that's Swansea's fault? How?

FFS is it any surprise I think they're all a waste of space!

I'm sure the feeling's reciprocated.

Adrian wrote:
GbH ("GbH" ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

I'm currently attempting to register my new acquisition. Swansea
claim they cannot do it because I am not resident in Mainland UK,
wherever that is,

It's that big kinda islandy thing, generally known as Great Britain,
and consisting of England, Scotland, Wales. If you aren't resident in
one of those three, then - no, you don't register your car with DVLA
Swansea.

However the documentation V5? insists one does!


Coleraine

So you're in NI? Right. So you don't register with Swansea. Next.

refuse to recognise Swansea's documentation and require me to
complete a new registration application by hand.

And that's Swansea's fault? How?

And there was me thinking it was now joined up government.

FFS is it any surprise I think they're all a waste of space!

I'm sure the feeling's reciprocated.

I very much doubt they could find their arse with both hands let alone
feel their ineptitude exists!




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Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
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GbH ("GbH" ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

I'm currently attempting to register my new acquisition. Swansea claim
they cannot do it because I am not resident in Mainland UK, wherever
that is,

It's that big kinda islandy thing, generally known as Great Britain,
and consisting of England, Scotland, Wales. If you aren't resident in
one of those three, then - no, you don't register your car with DVLA
Swansea.

However the documentation V5? insists one does!

Re-read it. If you're taking it outside GB, it doesn't.

Adrian wrote:
GbH ("GbH" ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

I'm currently attempting to register my new acquisition. Swansea
claim they cannot do it because I am not resident in Mainland UK,
wherever that is,

It's that big kinda islandy thing, generally known as Great Britain,
and consisting of England, Scotland, Wales. If you aren't resident
in one of those three, then - no, you don't register your car with
DVLA Swansea.

However the documentation V5? insists one does!

Re-read it. If you're taking it outside GB, it doesn't.

Whatever, so obtuse that the process becomes incredably boring.

--
Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
remember the darn question

Adrian wrote:
GbH ("GbH" ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

I'm currently attempting to register my new acquisition. Swansea
claim they cannot do it because I am not resident in Mainland UK,
wherever that is,

It's that big kinda islandy thing, generally known as Great Britain,
and consisting of England, Scotland, Wales. If you aren't resident
in one of those three, then - no, you don't register your car with
DVLA Swansea.

However the documentation V5? insists one does!

Re-read it. If you're taking it outside GB, it doesn't.

I did and cannot find anything to that effect, maybe it's in the Welsh
on the back?

The correspondence from Swansea specifically said Mainland UK, which is
ficticious and not
GB which is the statutary entity!

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Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
remember the darn question

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:52:13 -0000, "GbH"
wrote:

Adrian wrote:
GbH ("GbH" ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

I'm currently attempting to register my new acquisition. Swansea
claim they cannot do it because I am not resident in Mainland UK,
wherever that is,

It's that big kinda islandy thing, generally known as Great Britain,
and consisting of England, Scotland, Wales. If you aren't resident
in one of those three, then - no, you don't register your car with
DVLA Swansea.

However the documentation V5? insists one does!

Re-read it. If you're taking it outside GB, it doesn't.

I did and cannot find anything to that effect, maybe it's in the Welsh
on the back?

The correspondence from Swansea specifically said Mainland UK, which is
ficticious and not
GB which is the statutary entity!

How can Mainland UK be fictitious? It's a socking great lump of terra
firma, if it doesn't exist I'd have sunk on my way back home tomight

Tim Jones wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:52:13 -0000, "GbH"
wrote:

Adrian wrote:
GbH ("GbH" ) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

I'm currently attempting to register my new acquisition. Swansea
claim they cannot do it because I am not resident in Mainland UK,
wherever that is,

It's that big kinda islandy thing, generally known as Great
Britain, and consisting of England, Scotland, Wales. If you
aren't resident in one of those three, then - no, you don't
register your car with DVLA Swansea.

However the documentation V5? insists one does!

Re-read it. If you're taking it outside GB, it doesn't.

I did and cannot find anything to that effect, maybe it's in the
Welsh on the back?

The correspondence from Swansea specifically said Mainland UK, which
is ficticious and not
GB which is the statutary entity!

How can Mainland UK be fictitious? It's a socking great lump of terra
firma, if it doesn't exist I'd have sunk on my way back home tomight


It is a myth!

The country is the United Kingdom, UK for short.
The UK is by statute The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland. Check in your passport if you don't believe me.
Great Britain is correctly described above.
NB there is no mention of Mainland UK at all. It is ficticious, it does
not exist, it isn't, it if it wasn't nailed to the perch it would fall
off! It is a connivance concocted by those too lazy to know any better,
in particular the various courier companies who feel they need to
surcharge carriage to Northern Ireland and have not the whit to describe
it correctly.
One would expect an part the UK government to know what constitutes the
country and to correctly use the statutary description. I think there
are specific laws about describing it incorrectly but these seem not to
matter any more.

Now I understand what they mean by it but why must they invent a new
name for it. Is it not a spade, why call it a shovel!
It is Great Britain, NOT Mainland UK.

Anyway managed to register my acquisition this morning, curious, in
spite of it being disowned by Swansea, it is not considered a first
registration in Northern Ireland.


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Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
remember the darn question