Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Richard Porter wrote:
I can't see a problem in renewing it every year. Helps keep a track
on vehicles. Surely this is a good thing?

It's a pain in the neck. They send out reminders before the first day
that you can renew tax/sorn and you can be fined if you forget.
Surely if you own a vehicle it should be your responsibility until
you notify the DVLA that you have sold, exported or destroyed it.

I'd say the main reason the excise duty hasn't been abolished and put
on fuel tax is the need to register the vehicle details each year.
It's all very well saying it should be your responsibility to
register any changes only when they happen but many simply wouldn't
bother.

Pardon me for asking, but just what is the NEED to re-register the
vehicle every year, or register it in the first place except as a
revenue generator?

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On 2008-01-25, GbH wrote:

Pardon me for asking, but just what is the NEED to re-register the
vehicle every year, or register it in the first place except as a
revenue generator?

Plus of course just filling out false information each and every year.
Can't see much point in regular SORNs other than to squeeze loot out
of forgetful welshmen ;-)

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:32:01 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:

The scroats that are driving around unlicensed and/or no insurance
and/or no MOT vehicles worth £1000 or less aren't going to pay the tax
disc. If they could SORN it without having to renew, it's just another
loophole for them to use.

this is a red herring - most of those vehicles are not registered to a
known address anyway.

Fairy Nuff.

SORN in principle is good, it provides an instant check that the thing
is not meant to be on the road. It's still not necessary to declare
SORN more than once.

Hum, so I buy cash in hand, no reciepts, one of your SORN vehicles, you
don't know me from Adam. Some time later I put the vehicle onto the public
highway, it gets spotted, who do they come looking for you or me? In a
year who gets the fine for not renewing the SORN?

The SORN non-renewal fine could be looked at as an incentive for you to
make sure you do the V5 bit properly when you sell, if only to ensure you
are no longer (in theory) legally responsible for that vehicle. Without a
SORN renewal this mis-registration of keeper might not come to light for
years if at all.

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In article ,
GbH wrote:
I'd say the main reason the excise duty hasn't been abolished and put
on fuel tax is the need to register the vehicle details each year.
It's all very well saying it should be your responsibility to
register any changes only when they happen but many simply wouldn't
bother.

Pardon me for asking, but just what is the NEED to re-register the
vehicle every year, or register it in the first place except as a
revenue generator?

If you can't work that out for yourself I can't be bothered telling you.

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On or around Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:13:58 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
enlightened us thusly:

Hum, so I buy cash in hand, no reciepts, one of your SORN vehicles, you
don't know me from Adam. Some time later I put the vehicle onto the public
highway, it gets spotted, who do they come looking for you or me? In a
year who gets the fine for not renewing the SORN?

I'd send in the V5 with your name on it, anyway, cash in hand or otherwise -
'cos if not I'd still be liable for it.

The SORN non-renewal fine could be looked at as an incentive for you to
make sure you do the V5 bit properly when you sell, if only to ensure you
are no longer (in theory) legally responsible for that vehicle. Without a
SORN renewal this mis-registration of keeper might not come to light for
years if at all.

yeah, but if you have it on the road registered to me, then the fines come
to me, so there's every incentive for me to send in the V5, even if you give
me a false name and address, I've still notified that I'm no longer the
keeper.

and if you do give false details, I guess sooner or later it'd get flagged
up as such and the motor would come up as "not registered" or suchlike when
the dibbles checked it.
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On or around Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:07:42 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
enlightened us thusly:

In article ,
GbH wrote:
I'd say the main reason the excise duty hasn't been abolished and put
on fuel tax is the need to register the vehicle details each year.
It's all very well saying it should be your responsibility to
register any changes only when they happen but many simply wouldn't
bother.

Pardon me for asking, but just what is the NEED to re-register the
vehicle every year, or register it in the first place except as a
revenue generator?

If you can't work that out for yourself I can't be bothered telling you.

It's not re-registering, as you well know, DP. I'm starting to think you're
a troll.
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Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
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http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:32:01 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:

The scroats that are driving around unlicensed and/or no insurance
and/or no MOT vehicles worth £1000 or less aren't going to pay the
tax disc. If they could SORN it without having to renew, it's just
another loophole for them to use.

this is a red herring - most of those vehicles are not registered to
a known address anyway.

Fairy Nuff.

SORN in principle is good, it provides an instant check that the
thing is not meant to be on the road. It's still not necessary to
declare SORN more than once.

Hum, so I buy cash in hand, no reciepts, one of your SORN vehicles,
you don't know me from Adam. Some time later I put the vehicle onto
the public highway, it gets spotted, who do they come looking for you
or me? In a year who gets the fine for not renewing the SORN?

The SORN non-renewal fine could be looked at as an incentive for you
to make sure you do the V5 bit properly when you sell, if only to
ensure you are no longer (in theory) legally responsible for that
vehicle. Without a SORN renewal this mis-registration of keeper might
not come to light for years if at all.

Again, so what?

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remember the darn question

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
GbH wrote:
I'd say the main reason the excise duty hasn't been abolished and
put on fuel tax is the need to register the vehicle details each
year. It's all very well saying it should be your responsibility to
register any changes only when they happen but many simply wouldn't
bother.

Pardon me for asking, but just what is the NEED to re-register the
vehicle every year, or register it in the first place except as a
revenue generator?

If you can't work that out for yourself I can't be bothered telling
you.

Cos if you blew the cobwebs out of your mind and thought about it?
What does it benefit me to do it?

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remember the darn question

In article ,
Austin Shackles wrote:
On or around Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:07:42 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
enlightened us thusly:

In article ,
GbH wrote:
I'd say the main reason the excise duty hasn't been abolished and
put on fuel tax is the need to register the vehicle details each
year. It's all very well saying it should be your responsibility to
register any changes only when they happen but many simply wouldn't
bother.

Pardon me for asking, but just what is the NEED to re-register the
vehicle every year, or register it in the first place except as a
revenue generator?

If you can't work that out for yourself I can't be bothered telling you.

It's not re-registering, as you well know, DP.

It is confirming various details.

I'm starting to think you're a troll.

I certainly could 'troll' by asking just why some seem so scared of the
authorities knowing who owns a vehicle.

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On 2008-01-25, Austin Shackles wrote:

It's not re-registering, as you well know, DP. I'm starting to think you're
a troll.

He is, catch up Austin ;-) Mr. Killfile is your bestest friend.

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