I have heard they are going to double the road tax in the budget for our 4 x
4's.
I have a Suzuki Grand Vitara 2.0 TD, and I do 38 mpg.
I don't think that is much gas guzzling
What do you all think

On 2007-03-19, Dgethin wrote:

I have heard they are going to double the road tax in the budget for
our 4x4's.

Nothing to do with 4x4s, just what emissions band you are in. This
change was introduced some time ago, e.g. the highest band being band
"G" IIRC, which had something like 22 4x4s and 130 other cars in it.
Chances are it'll be this band that gets the £400 rate that the papers
are waffling on about, and that band only applies to the dirtiest of
cars bought recently.

I don't think it's going to be much of a change for those of us who
don't buy new cars or drive powerful road-going 4x4s.

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Dgethin wrote:

I have heard they are going to double the road tax in the budget for our 4 x
4's.

That is the usual media hysterical mis-reporting of facts. Brown ius
proposing to increase the highest VED band to £210 a year. This will
affect all owners of large engined vehicles, not just 4x4 owners.

I have a Suzuki Grand Vitara 2.0 TD, and I do 38 mpg.
I don't think that is much gas guzzling
What do you all think

I think the "green" lobby are a bunch of ****ing liars.

Stephen Firth wrote:

I think the "green" lobby are a bunch of ****ing liars.

I think we need to start writing and complaining to the papers and the Media
about this "Global warming" issue - OK it may be happening but look back and
you'll find vinyards in the UK in Roman Times (and I'm guessing they did
not have 4x4s)

30years ago we had global cooling panic in the papers - Its just a natural
cycle and anyway humans produce only a very small % of co2 emmissions
cows fart more greenhouse gasses, sheep were blamed for the hole in the
ozone layer a few years ago and now Its my fault because I have an old
fashioned lightbulb ?

Lurkio wrote:

I think we need to start writing and complaining to the papers and the Media
about this "Global warming" issue - OK it may be happening but look back and
you'll find vinyards in the UK in Roman Times (and I'm guessing they did
not have 4x4s)

A little over 120,000 years ago and there were olive trees in the
Channel and hippopotami, lions, panther, hyaena and elephants roaming
around Trafalgar Square.

The tactics of the "greens" seem to be to argue that the earth has
suddenly warmed or that such warming is unsual, however in an
interglacial period (which we are in at present) rapid warming and
cooling are expected events.

On 2007-03-19, Stephen Firth wrote:

The tactics of the "greens" seem to be to argue that the earth has
suddenly warmed or that such warming is unsual, however in an
interglacial period (which we are in at present) rapid warming and
cooling are expected events.

If I had 100 people from different housing trades round to inspect a
house I was going to buy and 85 of them said it was suffering from bad
subsidence and would fall down within 10 years, two of them stood in
the corner with pillows on their heads screaming "WE'RE ALL GOING TO
DIE!", two of them said "it's fine, carry on!" but they appeared to be
the estate agents wearing groucho marks masks, four of them were
standing in front of TV cameras saying "everyone's wrong, listen to
me, what about galileo!" and the rest just shrugged their shoulders, I
don't think I'd buy that house.

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Ian Rawlings wrote:
On 2007-03-19, Stephen Firth wrote:

The tactics of the "greens" seem to be to argue that the earth has
suddenly warmed or that such warming is unsual, however in an
interglacial period (which we are in at present) rapid warming and
cooling are expected events.

If I had 100 people from different housing trades round to inspect a
house I was going to buy and 85 of them said it was suffering from bad
subsidence and would fall down within 10 years, two of them stood in
the corner with pillows on their heads screaming "WE'RE ALL GOING TO
DIE!", two of them said "it's fine, carry on!" but they appeared to be
the estate agents wearing groucho marks masks, four of them were
standing in front of TV cameras saying "everyone's wrong, listen to
me, what about galileo!" and the rest just shrugged their shoulders, I
don't think I'd buy that house.
The IBCC and their 2500 top scientists is bolloix

On 2007-03-19, Lerkio wrote:

The IBCC and their 2500 top scientists is bolloix

Be sure to tell them that "Lerkio", wot cannot speel his insluts, says so!

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Ian Rawlings wrote:

On 2007-03-19, Stephen Firth wrote:

The tactics of the "greens" seem to be to argue that the earth has
suddenly warmed or that such warming is unsual, however in an
interglacial period (which we are in at present) rapid warming and
cooling are expected events.

If I had 100 people from different housing trades round to inspect a
house I was going to buy and 85 of them said it was suffering from bad
subsidence and would fall down within 10 years, two of them stood in
the corner with pillows on their heads screaming "WE'RE ALL GOING TO
DIE!", two of them said "it's fine, carry on!" but they appeared to be
the estate agents wearing groucho marks masks, four of them were
standing in front of TV cameras saying "everyone's wrong, listen to
me, what about galileo!" and the rest just shrugged their shoulders, I
don't think I'd buy that house.

Which could be condensed to "Eat ****! A million flies can't be wrong."

I dont understand why relatively intelligent people imagine that science
is based on a majority vote.

On 2007-03-19, Stephen Firth wrote:

Which could be condensed to "Eat ****! A million flies can't be wrong."

While your approach can be condensed to "believe the cranks, they have
to be right *sometimes*".

I dont understand why relatively intelligent people imagine that
science is based on a majority vote.

It's not, but when the majority in a growing field are finding the
same thing, pinning your hopes to the minority tends to make you look
a tad desperate.

Note that the majority of scientists in the field are not responsible
for the daft hysteria behind the more outlandish bunny-hugging, the
scientific consensus is quite modest, something like a few degrees
change over a couple of hundred years. *that* is the consensus, the
rest is just media panic-mongering and opportunist politics.

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